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Max testosterone level for trans athletes to be halved

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EmpressOfJurisfiction · 22/04/2018 07:24

Open access link: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-athletes-face-tougher-entry-rules-in-female-events-wrrmm7vcz?shareToken=49299dde905a975d619c3b6b581b4b38

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TerfsUp · 22/04/2018 08:37

It's a first step in the right direction.

IdentifiesAsMiddleAged · 22/04/2018 08:32

SPORTS ALSO DISCUSSED HERE

Worth checking out this thread on MN too

Mogleflop · 22/04/2018 08:27

Ah thanks @IStillMissBlockbuster. I got to the phrase "Harper, who ran marathons in two hours", and my phone won't let the rest load for some reason!

reallyanotherone · 22/04/2018 08:15

The sport i coach male physiology makes a massive difference. Not just strength and fat %, but basic skeletal defferences like the way the hip is set in the pelvis. These things can’t be changed...

Ekphrasis · 22/04/2018 08:11

Research on the difference in lung capacity impact on performance in men and women doesn't appear to have been properly done, as most research has been on male subjects only as explored in this research article.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2170830/

If you google a peak flow chart, you can see the physical differences between male and female lung capacity that starts at puberty.

Sarkyharky · 22/04/2018 08:10

"whatever physical advantages transgender athletes have, they are not nearly as large as the sociological disadvantages"

Isn't this kind of missing the point of sport?

Hmm
MNscum · 22/04/2018 08:04

So how achievable are the new limits for TIMs? I’m hoping not very so they are all prevented from competing.

LizzieSiddal · 22/04/2018 08:02

“IOC sources confirmed a reduction in maximum testosterone levels from 10 to five nanomoles per litre was “likely” with the release of new scientific findings.“

At last they are taking note of “scientific findings”, but why the actual fuck did they not do that in the first place?Angry

Ekphrasis · 22/04/2018 08:02

I want to see how lung capacity advantages a person born male who has transitioned and is taking hormones too as this will impact certain sports eg cycling.

LizzieSiddal · 22/04/2018 07:59

Fab news to wake up to.

BossWitch · 22/04/2018 07:59

That's good. A step in the right direction at least.

meditrina · 22/04/2018 07:57

I am glad that it will apply across the board.

It always seemed a nonsense to me that the established limit (for those whose biology did not match the gender they lived in) should be OK for some, but nit OK for others.

Reducing across the board, inducing for intersex athletes, is a coherent response.

boatyardblues · 22/04/2018 07:53

It would be good if someone with a Times log in coukd post a fuller description of the injuries Fallon Fox inflicted on Tamika Brent. A broken eye socket doesn’t really do the beating and injuries which endured full justice. Sad

IStillMissBlockbuster · 22/04/2018 07:51

Yeah if you read the article you'll see that research is being planned to investigate of trans women retain an advantage over women. A frankly hilarious quote at the end says"it may be that at the end of the process, the muscle remains a male muscle"

Mogleflop · 22/04/2018 07:44

Fantastic start for an attempt at equality again - but isn't it also about things like muscle tone, bone length, heart rate and so on? (I admit it's been a while since I researched this one...)

0phelia · 22/04/2018 07:41

Well, that's something I guess. Even though men shouldn't actually be competing with women.

2rebecca · 22/04/2018 07:41

This is excellent news. Transexual a will still have male physiology, muscle composition and pelvic design advantages but it does a lot to level things

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