Transing children

What? Answer you what? Did you miss my post? I am allowed to be doing other things too. I was reading Miranda Yardley's posts on twitter if that's ok with you?!

I see you're still up for other threads @tygr. Please answer me. Kids are very important

Er, super match did say she was going to bed, that is allowed you know.

Yeah, I thought so. No answer. This is not something the left will let through because most of the left is female. Jog on with your sexism.

No hiding @supermatchgame when it doesn't go your way. Why should I listen to you?

I think it is transphobic to say 'you're all abnormal'. Some kids will be like I was and gender non-confirming L, G or B and some will be trans. I have a huge problem with L, G or B children being put on cross sex hormones before they've worked out who they really are. If the child is gender dysphoric and has body dysmorphia and understands all the life-long implications then I think that's different.

Whether there is a sure fire way to tell the difference, I really don't know.

I was well into my 20s before I accepted that being a woman was a good thing. But that was a problem I had with society's stereotypes and not my body.

I wonder if there is any medical investigation going on into what causes gender or rather sexual dysphoria?

I'm not talking about stereotypical behaviour etc or playing with certain toys or whatever. I mean the kind of things described up thread where children or adults feel uncomfortable with their physical bodies.

Don't bait me @tygr what's 'normal' about telling lesbians they are bigots for not accepting lady penis? So much so that they need to be male to avoid penis?

Who is abnormal Hop? Sounds like a sweeping generalisation....

I was one of those kids 30 years ago. I grew up to be a bisexual woman. Dread to think what I would have become had I been a child now. A very depressed and confused adult I think.

Not before they are old enough to know the difference for themselves and I object to 'trans' organisations going into schools turning stereotypes into reality in kids minds. I am unapologetic and furious about this. We will not allow this to take root. It's an overstretch to say the least. You are making enemies of friends. You will have few friends left eventually.

Why the desperate hurry to instruct children and parents to early transition? Surely, watchful waiting, wait for the maelstrom of puberty to pass, unmolested, is the only sensible answer?

I'm not shouting anything HopScotchy. I know enough gay people to know that gnc behaviour is a normal part of some of their histories. But sometimes, for some young people there is a need for clinical intervention when their discomfort with their biology reaches a certain level. It's not for my benefit. It's a decision made between a young person, their family and mental health professionals. Professionals who are experienced, trained, intelligent clinicians that just want the best for their patients.

I'm now not running and hiding I'm just going to bed.

Being young lesbians most of them.

Where were these kids 20 years ago? Or even 10?

No. @supermatchgame this is not enough. Many kids who grow up lesbian or gay and some kids who grow up straight explain that this is part of their history. I will NOT allow these kids to be deemed 'trans' for your benefit. No. It is not happening. Let them be. No 'medical' intervention until adulthood. Big fucking red line. You can shout transphobia if you like. I'll ignore you.

Christ Hops give me a minute to type will you.

HopScotchy in terms of clinical diagnosis and intervention it would be a child with an intractable fear/ disgust of primary or secondary sex characteristics, ie severe fear of developing breasts or starting period, or serious discomfort with their penis. That would be a line.

But obviously not just in isolation. Even if it hasn't progressed that far, a little boy say refusing to go to school unless dressed in a female uniform and with a female name, and also insisting they are a girl would obviously need a whole family support approach. I wouldn't necessarily call such a child 'trans' because watch and wait is commons sense. But it would be these things over time taken in to consideration to form a full picture, and decisions would be made as the clinician got to know the child and the family over years.

I'm very conscious of wanting not to to appear patronising with long winded explanations so I'll stop there. But I'm definitely not in support of stereotypes. If a boy wants to play with dolls and call himself Betty it's fine and I wouldn't call them trans and same for a girl being a tomboy etc. It's when it starts to become dysfunctional ie prevents a child/ person from being able to live a happy, emotionally, psychologically/ socially fulfilling functioning life that it is a problem.

My mind is blown by the idea that people think child psychologists/psychiatrists aren’t concerned and at a loss to explain what’s going on with current rise in trans-identifying children. You may want to google recent presentations from the Head of the Tavistock clinic.

And what the ones I know are saying in private is much more in explicit agreement with what this doctor says here.

Still silent @supermatchgame? I don't blame you. You have nothing but stereotypes. And leave children out of it. They are not your cloak.

It's abuse. And when all these kids come demanding answers and compensation I will be there with bells on.

I've just posted this comment, should we have a sweepstake as to how long/if it's published?

I was put on a similar drug (a GnRH analogue) for six months as a treatment for endometriosis. The side effects were horrendous, there is no way a child should be given these drugs.

@supermatchgame what is a trans child? What is trans?

So @supermatchgame ? Running or standing your corner?