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It was acceptable in the 80s

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Tinlegs · 21/04/2018 12:47

Need to feel a bit more positive about progress. And a laugh. (Or a shocked gasp)

What was acceptable in the 80s if you were at school / work then (Or 90s etc, just liked the title)?

I went to an all girls' school (mostly boarding) on the outskirts of London. Things which were acceptable:

We were regularly flashed while playing rounders on a pitch near a public footpath. A class of 30+ girls and one female teacher and everyone just shrugged. No police, I am pretty sure.

Our Board of Governors was all male and the Chair once openly expressed surprise that girls were studying Maths.

We wore prefects' badges which staff instructed us to pin as close as possible to our shoulders when a certain male Governor came to visit. He liked to examine them closely and touch them, while pinned to our chests.

In part time jobs:

Silver service waitressing involved being trained (by a woman) how not to drop gravy and turkey on a guest if another guest surprised you by putting his hand up your skirt.

There are loads more.

Any of these now would have involved police (and social services). We just accepted it (wrongly) and tried to laugh it off.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/04/2018 15:01

Doing PE in vest and pants in primary school
Doing PE in ‘gym knickers’ and tshirts in secondary school
Our secondary school used to get head of year to wiggle a biro under the very back hem of your skirt as you went into assembly (to show you how short /long your skirt was)

I was however surprised to hear that dd doesn’t have to shower or have the option to shower after sports at her high school now- I would have thought this would still be encouraged but they aren’t allowed due to time constraints.

Kyanite · 21/04/2018 14:57

Triple Rainbow

That is awful...what a shock when realising as well!

Kyanite · 21/04/2018 14:55

At work in the 80's, a guy with known record for perving was placed at a desk opposite the flex machine (for recording when you arrive and leave), everyone would have to bed over to put their key in, with him watching behind. He would hit on the temps as they were less likely to complain and would make lewd comments when us temp girls bent over in front of him.

Kyanite · 21/04/2018 14:48

If you couldn't go swimming because of your period, the male gym teacher wouldn't just let you off with saying woman's problems or whatever, he made you say that you had your period.

Comedy was sexist and racist - maybe more 70s than 80s. Men going going down the pub on a Sunday and women expected to make the Sunday lunch. "Ooo...that's going to cost you luv" down at the garage. Wolf whistles (or maybe I'm just too old to get them now).

TripleRainbow · 21/04/2018 14:45

Kyanite Shock

My friend's male GP used to 'examine' her breasts when she went to get the contraceptive pill. He told her there was still time for them to grow. She thought it was normal until she mentioned it years later to friends.

Fifthtimelucky · 21/04/2018 14:45

I went to a bog standard mixed comprehensive in the 1970s. I don't pretend that it was perfect, but it wasn't bad compared with the experience of other posters.

Girls did woodwork and metalwork as well as needlework and cookery. Similarly, boys did needlework and cookery. Girls couldn't wear trousers, but I don't remember that anyone ever tried to look up our skirts.

And we all covered calculus for O level maths.

Not sure what went wrong!

Ereshkigal · 21/04/2018 14:44

90s - Saturday job when I was at school, had to clean men's toilets while they happily came and pissed next to me.

Same job - sexual harassment from the chef. I was a young teen.

Kyanite · 21/04/2018 14:39

At my all girl school late 70s/early 80s we had a male school Dr and we had to pull down our bra for him to listed to our chest (my female Dr at home didn't require that) and then we had to stay with our bra still down while we went up and down on tip toe with our eyes closed supposedly for him to check our balance...unbelievable! All this with a female nurse there watching. At my sister's school, they were checked for breast lumps...teenagers! That was never acceptable, I am amazed no parent blasted them.

JustOneMan · 21/04/2018 14:38

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Ethelswith · 21/04/2018 14:26

I went to an all girls school. So missed a fair amount of these sorts of thing as it just wasn't tolerated.

Though we did have a flasher for a while, but the police sorted that.

TripleRainbow · 21/04/2018 14:22

My experiences came from the 90s but at my school male and female teachers were having sex with pupils and going out drinking with them. No one was ever prosecuted or sacked.

I played truant from PE and the truancy officer asked me if I didn't like PE because of having large breasts (I was a c cup). He also told me I smelled nice.

My science teacher, regarded as a perv, sucked his middle finger moving it in and out of his mouth whilst I was speaking to him about homework when I was 13.

The shop keeper and his friend making comments about my bum when I bent down to pick penny sweets when I was 12.

'Asked out' by men in their 30s-50s even when I told them my age from age 11. At the time I was confused by it and knew not to tell my mum, but looking back and realising those men were paedophiles is sickening.

Tinlegs · 21/04/2018 14:15

Actually, things haven't changed much, I agree.

DD's Maths teacher (female) told the class they would struggle with a topic unless they had a "boy brain". The teacher said she had this mythical brain but not all females are as fortunate.

In 2018!!!

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Greymisty · 21/04/2018 14:03

My face is just Shock at reading this.

villandrychat · 21/04/2018 13:57

Male chemistry and physics teachers who openly resented teaching girls and said they weren't cut out for sciences.

Same physics teacher forcing girls to change in front of him if wearing the wrong uniform (on his own, in his office). I refused and he harassed me for years until my dad cornered him and said he'd have him to deal with if he so much as breathed within 20 yards of me.

Girls not being allowed to do woodwork, metalwork or technical drawing.

MrsSchadenfreude · 21/04/2018 13:29

Girls not being taught Calculus as we wouldn’t understand it.

Working with someone who used to sniff my chair (found him doing this when I came back from lunch early). Also used to run his hand up my legs when I was leaning over the desk.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 21/04/2018 13:28

One of the boys in my class had an affair with the art teacher - everyone thought he was great!

Boulshired · 21/04/2018 13:24

I think the progress made is mostly face value. Laws are in place to stop the cases highlighted but it seems when one fight is beginning to get better another one takes its place. Todays children are much more sexualised at an early age. Girls are encouraged to be whatever the want to be whilst simultaneously being reinforced that being pretty and playing with dolls is what they really are. Boys are viewing girls through a porn view lens, that no matter how much a parent believes their child is being monitered on the internet they really are not. I feel really sorry for my daughter in the current climate. The positives is there are some really good role models coming through. But I am not sure if my 80s as a child/ teenager World is any better or safer than today’s. The other problem is we only have the information that today’s children give us. Give me a child hood without social media any day.

Tinlegs · 21/04/2018 13:23

Oh and having to answer the register in swimming using the word "usual" if you had a period.

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AllMumsyWereTheBorrowedClothes · 21/04/2018 13:22

Using the police controlled zebra crossing outside my school, fairly unusual even back then!! My bum being felt up by some pervy man, aged about 14 or 15, hitting him back, and then getting told off by the same policeman "that wasn't very nice" - and no! he wasn't talking about what the man did Angry

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 21/04/2018 13:15

Being catcalled whilst in school uniform.

Having to make a detour to work to avoid builder asking you to suck his cock. (pre considerate-constructors’ era)

Being told by teacher that girls and boys took different subjects because girls weren’t as clever.

Not seeing yourself reflected on TV shows or movies except for the love interest who only appeared for a short while and didn’t have much character.

So many things!

QueenofSerene · 21/04/2018 13:07

Definitely male teachers being too touchy feely with female students, I remember in year 4 routinely being placed on my teachers knee if I was in trouble - about two years later it came out that he was a paedophile, shocker.

Cyber bullying, I was stalked and cyber bullied in year 7 (1999 I think..) and it went on for 4 years before anyone (including the police) took me seriously to allow a restriction order on the other kid - these days I’m sure there’d be a go fund me page or FB diatribe outing the scum fucker.

Candlelights · 21/04/2018 13:06

I watched the 40th anniversary rerelease of Greace the other night. Absolutely full of things that I'd hope would never be acceptable today. ("Tell me more tell me more, did she put up a fight?", Looking up skirts for a laugh, smoking to be cool, grouping until the girl runs away.....).

Also, from school, pinging of bra straps is not something DD has had to deal with :)

AstonMartini · 21/04/2018 13:04

Another all-girls' school here. Gym teachers (female) used to make us show them our knickers to make sure they were regulation school ones. Ugh.

Tinlegs · 21/04/2018 13:04

Am a teacher too. Worked with male colleagues (early 90s) who openly talked about girls' breasts and legs.

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FellOutOfBed2wice · 21/04/2018 13:03
  • Another one where and teacher and pupil had a sexual relationship and the police weren’t involved
  • Girls in my all girls school not being allowed to wear trousers/shorts or short socks. Was skirts and long socks or tights
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