Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The original posts from feminist chat

86 replies

Bespin · 20/04/2018 23:29

Hi as all the threads are on one topic I have taken to reading threads from the beginning of this forum and the diversity in topics is really heartening and interesting to read does anyone else read them.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
noeffingidea · 21/04/2018 13:59

I never go further back than the first 2 pages, OP. I'm like you though in that I don't start threads, just chip in when I feel there's something I want to say. I don't think there's anything wrong with that though, it's just like conversations in real life. Some people start them, other people respond.

BarrackerBarmer · 21/04/2018 10:58

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is OP.

But if it helps, I am very much looking forward to a time when the female sex have won inalienable rights and protections in the law again. We had them of course, but the law inadvertently didn't specify watertight definitions of sex, female, woman, gender and that allowed men to exploit an enormous loophole whereby laws intended for ACTUAL biological females were perverted into laws for ANYONE CALLING THEMSELF WOMAN.

A bit like a game of Simon Says where you lose by not noticing that SIMON didn't say it. Haha its says women in that law but it didn't define woman properly so anyone can be a woman, you lose!

So now we're in a position of starting from scratch to win our rights back, and this time to be very clear that since we ARE A SEX we need to be defined AS A SEX.

Since there are literally no feminist issues to fight for when there is no recognition of what female means, we're all back at ground zero trying to get our existence written back into our laws.

Thanks for that, men.

But when we've achieved that, I will deffo have more time to chat about other feminist issues.

I may take a break instead though.

Howyoualldoworkme · 21/04/2018 10:05

SwearyGodPervert Nice spot! Grin

Eclairtooth · 21/04/2018 09:58

I have very occasionally read the old threads yes so I do know a bit what ypu mean, I think. I have been an on and off lurker for many years and do see a change in the range of topics- or possibly that the same topics are here but more people are posting and the board is busier. Which is a good thing.
My eyes were certainly opened to the trans issues on this board and I do think it is one of the major threats to womens rights in our life time so it isn't surprising there is more on this topic. My own view is probably harder in line than some on this board due to my own experience. For instance I would not accept a transwoman with surgery and a GRC as a woman in most circumstances regardless of the self ID issues.
However, I do miss some of the old regualr posters such as Buffy's careful explanations of epistemology which I think would be a useful perspective that isn't discussed as much. Especially when those ideas are used to such devastating effect by TRAs. I don't pretend to understand it well but I think there is a point to the idea that all ideas are socially constructed - but it isn't saying that there isn't an underlying reality there, or even that all ideas are equal.
Having said that, I don't see any reason why people can't post those ideas on this board and start their own threads. See - I just have. I think there is always a feeling that FWR is not 'nice' enough and I disagree with that on many levels.

Bespin · 21/04/2018 09:53

Ya thanks Robin I agree that somethings are really interesting and I like to learn about things I don't know about and expand my knowledge on things there are always these periods where one topic dominates I understand that. Definitely will not be resurecting zombie threads who knew they were called that.

OP posts:
SwearyGodPervert · 21/04/2018 09:50

Bespin so you’re not content with telling people they’re getting womaning wrong on twitter you’ve decided to come to the “source” and tell us we’re getting feminism wrong? Being coy about what you want to say is childish, why not say out loud that you need feminism to centre men?

I’m astounded you have time for this given all the threats you make to ManFriday chaps of reporting them to the authorities and mansplaining feminism to them.

EasterRobin · 21/04/2018 09:47

No, I never read very old threads unless it's come up on a Google for a specific topic. I've never browsed the old feminist ones (not actually sure how to do that on the phone app).

I'm very interested in the current hot topic, but it can get very frustrating, especially if you spend any time on Twitter. Sometimes I get so angry at the rudeness, mud-slinging and threats towards feminists that I need to step away for a little while from time to time. So then I actively seek out other feminist topics to learn about.

I agree it's bad form to resurrect zombie threads, but I'm sure there are some very good older threads that newer members like myself have missed out on. If you find one you want to discuss, you can start a new topic and post a link.

Bespin · 21/04/2018 09:44

To be honest this thread as gone on far to long but happy to start a boating thread in anothrr area.

OP posts:
Bespin · 21/04/2018 09:39

Hi no not a typo 14 years on boats love it would not live anywhere else been trying to find other threads on it on here.

I also get sea sick on proper boats

OP posts:
AngryAttackKittens · 21/04/2018 09:36

I am sadly not a boat person. In theory it sounds lovely, but spending the whole time wanting to puke spoils the experience a bit.

BertrandRussell · 21/04/2018 09:34

Is boat person a typo? If not, so am I.

Bespin · 21/04/2018 09:29

Totally been reading that thread it's interesting and if I feel I have a point or a reply I will do that. Thankyou. Just also reading In the TV section at the moment as do like the good fight 😀

OP posts:
AngryAttackKittens · 21/04/2018 09:15

There's a thread right now about how to bring up girls to be nice people without being doormats, jump in!

Bespin · 21/04/2018 09:06

Hi yes I have hid quite a lot of the threads now so it's easyer to see and I got the app which makes stuff easyer. I'm on the Website on my phone and when you open th is fourm its just one thing and it's harder to pick out the other stuff that's all. It's the number of threads not there content I don't open a lot of them and now hide the ones that I'm not bothered about. I don't like starting threads as I find it hard to clearly explain my view sometimes and lay out a point of view. I'm better at replying to people. I am interested in topics that involve bringing younger woman into a understanding of feminist issues and impacts on them of social norms. Im a boat person so I've found the alternative life style threads on other forums so I'm happy now also the TV chat so I have other stuff to talk about

OP posts:
AngryAttackKittens · 21/04/2018 08:58

As best as I can tell, Bertrand, it's about how there's a topic Bespin doesn't want to read about and that means everyone else should stop talking about it so that Bespin doesn't have to see it when she clicks on the Feminism board. This is a totally fair and reasonable suggestion and it would not in any way be more logical for Bespin to just not click on threads about the topic she'd rather not read about.

Also we should all start threads about topics she is interested in, but she won't tell us what those are.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/04/2018 08:54

Hi @Bespin, what would you like to discuss? Any topics in particular?

BertrandRussell · 21/04/2018 08:52

I still don’t really understand what this thread is about.....

AngryAttackKittens · 21/04/2018 08:49

Not sure what's so hard about just not clicking on threads that don't sound like they'd be of interest to you, honestly. I do it with AIBU!

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 21/04/2018 08:48

But lass has told you how to hide the threads so that shoukd make life easier for you

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 21/04/2018 08:47

The separating bit won't happen, well not for a while anyway, as its already been requested and refused

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 21/04/2018 08:44

bespin

I haven't read it backwards but i have had a look at some of the the threads earlier in the topics history

Ive pretty much read all the threads over the last year or so...im on here much tto much Smile

Bespin · 21/04/2018 08:17

I love West Wing and babylon 5 though that's definatly off topic on here and one for the TV fourm they really need to bring babylon 5 back.
I genuinely was not asking a question about what people wanted to talk about it was more a way to say other topics would be nice of they had a equal standing on this forum like when this started and there seem to have been a whole host of things people posted about. I have read them as I was not there at the beginning and I really liked the diversity of the topics and views. I did wonder if others did too. I totally believe that changes to the GRA néed to be discussed. What I do believe in is talking about every point to death.

Also I don't like being labeled and told that I'm baiting people. If this is what happens when people try to post something you don't like then I'm. Not suprised no one else does. This feels very much like back in the playground where the cool girls say 'WE' are doing this and so we all after do that and you can not cos your not in our gang. You don't have to participate on this thread just hide it.

I really think a way of separating this issue would be a good idea so that others can participate in other topics without feeling that they consently have to be dragged into this one

OP posts:
DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg · 21/04/2018 06:44

I've been on this board on and off for over 8 years.. yes, I've read old threads. As a rule though I'm here to participate, so I don't revisit stuff I've already read (unless I'm looking for something specific I remember). Plus it gets me all misty eyed for people who are once regulars and have moved on.

Much as I don't rewatch TV series, or re-read books (except for old favourites like ST:TNG or The West Wing, or Babylon 5)

thebewilderness · 21/04/2018 04:23

The mods commitment to proving to the lurkers that they allow free speech for trolls and misogynists.

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 21/04/2018 04:18

Good idea Angry, some from me tooWineGin and Cake if you're feeling peckish Nightwatch

Wonder what's got the wasps swarming tonight?