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A Statement on Gender from the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales

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massi71 · 20/04/2018 22:13

catholicnews.org.uk/plenary-april18-gender

I thought this might be interesting to read. As far as I can see it's the only organisation that's openly expressing reservations about the dangers of uncontrolled self ID (I could be wrong though)

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HerFemaleness · 20/04/2018 23:04

It needs to be emphasised that "biological sex and the socio-cultural role of sex (gender) can be distinguished but not separated.

From the statement.

The Catholic church is not a friend to women. They believe men and women have separate and distinct functions within society and never the twain shall meet. Like trans activists they believe that people have innate gender, they differ from trans activists in that TRAs believe that 'mis-matches' can happen, the Catholic church believes they can't.

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 20/04/2018 22:54

where the important points for me where:

Biological sex is real
Gender dysphoria exists
We are equal and have inherent worth
Any journey/ path should start with accepting reality

In a normal world all of the above would be pretty bland. In this day and age some of it is pretty controversial in some circles.

wherethevioletsgrow · 20/04/2018 22:44

Yes, but remember that the Catholic Bishops will have similar views on gay people who also need pastoral support (ie conversion therapy).

My enemy's enemy is not my friend and all that....

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 20/04/2018 22:36

Thank you for this OP. I am an atheist but I thought some of the points they make are very interesting:

We recognise that there are people who do not accept their biological sex. We are concerned about and committed to their pastoral care. Through listening to them we seek to understand their experience more deeply and want to accompany them with compassion, emphasising that they are loved by God and valued in their inherent God-given dignity.

Indeed, the body is God’s gift. It is with and through our bodies that we make our earthly journey, with all its ambiguities, sufferings and joy. This understanding is vital for welcoming and accepting not only ourselves, and each other, but also the entire world as gifts of God.

fascinated · 20/04/2018 22:18

Thanks - interesting

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