All the Mumsnet hate on Twitter. Have we friendzoned India's penetration?

That's a good post @theyoniwayisnorthwards, really well reasoned and articulated. We differ on our perception of the risk to women, but I agree that the rhetoric on here can sometimes be awful.

Precisely, Agreed. I tend to object when people try to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Some women are just unaccepting that way.

This thread has led me to discover that India Willoughby, who I have had literally no form of interaction with ever, has blocked me on twitter. Go figure!

And another TRA angry with Mumsnet on Twitter directed randoms to go have a look at the controversy over Danielle Muscato.

It's kind of amazing how much success they've had when they're so bad at this, when you think about it. Surely there are examples they could choose that are less likely to alarm the general public.

In today's MOTD own goal round up, we have IW - who a few days ago claimed that male teenagers didn't pose a risk to girls, and who today points everyone (well, everyone IW hasn't blocked) in the direction of Lila Perry.

RosenbergW, tricky to respond because you have cherry picked some of my words and completely ignored others. I am disturbed about grown adults ridiculing teenagers and talking about their genitalia, for any reason. Whatever this young person is going through or the merits of her arguments, I feel the rhetoric used about her is unacceptable.

In response to what you did take from my post.

I find it difficult to believe transgender politics have the real world influence not claim it does. How many female spaces used by you or anyone on this board been rendered unsafe in your estimation? What is your lived experience of trans rights impinging on your rights (as opposed to theoretical objections to how they hypothetically might)

I have read tweets by aggressive TRAs active on Twitter and some of it is undeniably awful but social media is not the real world and I don’t feel these people deserve more attention than sexist, racist or violent trolls of any other persuasion. I am certainly not about to dive into that particular Twitter rabbit hole.

The trans threads users are at more risk of being doxed yes, that is the target of troll anger. As for the rest of the site, it’s a smaller risk but anyone who posts online runs that risk and I think most people are aware of that. When I said I don’t think mumsnet as a whole is at risk I meant that I think there’s a risk the feminism boards will be shut down or policed because of the impact this is having on the site. I don’t think the rest of the boards are at the same risk.

You’ve made a lot of assumptions about who I have listened to and what I have read because I haven’t reached the same conclusions as you have. My research isn’t lacking, I just don’t see danger at every corner in the way many posters on here seem to. I don’t think trans people are waiting to look at my boobs in the changing rooms at M and S, stealthily overtaking the Labour Party or trying to indoctrinate my children. I think there are some angry, sad, agresssive, misguided activists who are hell bent on finding a target for their rage and unhappiness and they make a lot of noise. I think there are many more people who have a complicated relationship to gender identify, some of whom identify as trans and who society has historically treated with ridicule and violence.

I know what sissificaiton is, I know what fetish is, I don’t have a problem with what consenting adults do. I would have a hypothetical problem with a hypothetical individual who had this particular fetish and who was so overwhelmed by by their sexuality they hypothetically allowed it to override their judgement, the law and the real life consequences and hypothetically infiltrated a female space for brief sexual gratification. I would want that hypothetical individual punished for their actions. While I can see this hypothetical situation could occur I don’t consider it a meaningful risk in most of our lives and I think our concern should be proportionate when their are so many overwhelmingly real dangers for women in public spaces.

And finally, you state that I called GC women and their arguments a list of names. I did not. I specifically referrred to the offensive rhetoric that sometimes occurs on these boards and I stand by that. It’s awful.

refuse

I wiuld not put those ones with your roast

Homemade is better...but I'm too lazy

Everything you need to know about Mumsnet = sometimes people who India doesn't like send Justine polite messages asking if they can send her a message via Twitter?

Shocking.

rebecca

No we get the pre cooked one, 4 minutes in the oven

Many many women who use these boards disagree with your views and are frustrated by the femisnism section being dominated by never ending debate on trans issues.

The current amendment to the laws affecting women's rights and the unintended consequences of the GRA and the EA are what we are discussing. The transitioning of children is an emergency.
These are women and children issues not trans issues.

the little frozen ones in tinfoil?? they're my midweek jazz up tea addition.

rebecca

The roasties are nice

But the yorkies are better...fair point

i will happily boycott any business who go along with this regressive bullshit.

Actually, maybe that's the way to go, we work out who's funding this insanity, and write to the CX and boycott them. Tell them what we're doing, we're only birds after all, sell your shitty frozen roasties to and your delicious dumplings and yummy yorkshires to the TRA's...

I do think an alternative should have been sought, but even if adults disagree with this kid’s wishes

An alternative was sought and offered. Lila claimed that the alternative was transphobic because it singled them out as different to the female pupils.

The trans population is minuscule

Sure their numbers are tiny, but trans activists money, political influence, and their impact on women is not miniscule.

We are also increasingly hearing from transexuals that they do not see themselves as part of the trans activist movement and that actually their own rights and safety are threatened by the TAs political trajectory. These transexuals are called traitors and truscum etc by TAs.

I don’t feel mumsnet as a whole is under threat

Then you should read the trans activists tweets. Was the rest of the boards be protected by the doxxing palaver of the last few days? If Mumsnet is fined or Justine defamed (which she is being) does that impact only FWR? Do you think it likely that if Justine closed FWR that these people would back off or would they smell blood in the water? Have you noticed that they are pushing for all female centred words to be essentially outlawed as transphobic? Front holes and chestfeeders ffs. How do you think Mumsnet will be effected if the TAS get their way?

From what I have researched about trans activists it seems that amongst a community that primarily exists to support trans people, there are a small, vocal, violent group who are looking for an enemy and these boards have given them one

Your research is lacking. Mumsnet are far from the only group of women who are being targetted by TAs. Have you tried listening to lesbians talking about how they have had to take their own groups essentially underground to protect themselves from TAs? Have you listened to women from different religious groups telling how their leisure activities are under threat? Have you thought about how girls in schools are impacted by TA lobbyists in disguise as offering LGBT training? What about the women being forced out of political parties and denied representation? Mumsnet is only one of the latest groups to be targetted. This isn't going away.

Nobody identifies as transgender because it’s easy or fun.

Maybe not but some do for an easy way to get fodder for their fetish while pretending to be oppressed. This is a fact, it's not transphobic to pay attention to the Stefonknees out there. Try researching some of the trans forums online or check out #girlslikeus, Google sissification if you really want your eyes popped.

You call the GC & RF women posting here and their arguments all sorts of names - self righteous, sneering, nasty. From my perspective your post is ill researched naivety and expressing the opinions you are about us while having missed so much easily accessible information is self righteous to the extreme.