All the Mumsnet hate on Twitter. Have we friendzoned India's penetration?

catgirl1976’s excellent post has been quoted...

twitter.com/DamienJStarfish/status/985873603035049984?s=20

I don’t hold an 18 year old of any gender or identity to the same standards as people my age (35) who I consider adults. I don’t think teenagers have the maturity and insight to make consistent good descisions. My understanding is that there is recent and compelling evidence to show that adults don’t reach brain maturity until around 25.
I don’t think teenage girls should be forced to share a changing room with someone they perceive as male. I do think an alternative should have been sought, but even if adults disagree with this kid’s wishes, I do think it’s incumbent on them to deal with an 18 year old’s wishes and feelings with compassion and respect, whether they agree with them or not. Ridiculing them and talking about their genitals is abhorrent to me. Seriously.
I don’t feel mumsnet as a whole is under threat, I do think the feminism boards are which makes me very sad. I also feel they have already been changed beyond recognition over the past year and a half and are no longer a space for me (and maybe there are others like me) to learn from others and discuss concerns and ideas with like minded people. The trans population is minuscule, how many transgender people are in your lives? I have considered the evidence and I don’t perceive a widespread threat to womanhood from individuals who identify as trans. From what I have researched about trans activists it seems that amongst a community that primarily exists to support trans people, there are a small, vocal, violent group who are looking for an enemy and these boards have given them one. There might be some reasoned debates and logica points but there HAS been some offensive and nasty rhetoric. Nobody identifies as transgender because it’s easy or fun. To many people who end up on these boards (because they constantly pop up in active threads) it seems weirdly cruel to attack on a group of people who are likely to have already experienced emotional and physical harm, isolation, shame and danger. I’m not saying you should accept their definition of gender, self-identity or spaces reserved for women but I would love to see the name calling, sneering, ridicule and self-righteous “well I’M a real woman” rhetoric fade away.

Interesting thread by Ray Blanchard, Researcher in sexual orientation, paraphilias, & gender identity disorders

twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/986825374398115840

itll be a shame if we have to stop buying Aunt Bessies roasties but if i have to take one for the team i will

As for Lila Perry they freely posed and courted mainstream media, those pics aren't from a private account ffs. Are women not supposed to notice the semi on what is a young adult, not a child, and one that was insisting on the right to be naked round girls the same age as them no less, esp when so many of those girls made their concerns known? Would you be protecting any other male their age who didn't identify as trans who was commiting what we generally would see as indecent exposure and sexual harassment?

The thing is you don’t represent women or mumsnet. Many many women who use these boards disagree with your views

Whether they disagree with my views or not their boards are being threatened too, are they rely gonna stand around tutting at other women and members here while these people try and shut the place down? And tbh agree with GC or RF views or no, the fact is lots of women are being threatened and slandered, venues are being threatened and slandered, and the people doing that are masking up, using foul as fuck tactics and like it or not the main TAs are non passing autogynephiles. So what if some women here don't agree with GC/RF views, we aren't threatening anyone or masking up etc, we are ordinary everyday women and the ones here are mostly mums, and what is being fought for right now is the right to speak and discuss these issues. Believe what you want, the facts about this battle are pretty clear, and the gen public once exposed to those facts I am 100% sure are not gonna fall on the TAs side. They freely admit they have got where they are thru covert political action, make it all public and let's see what happens.

I agree that MN represents a wide range of views, including mine that for a teenaged young adult with a hard on and no pants under a short skirt with a history of obviously sexual and provocative posing to be held up as someone who should be in girls' changing rooms and then being called a 'child' and someone feminists should not be talking about is bonkers.

Exactly.

Well another 48.4k people have it to look at now.

And i agree with knee

I agree that MN represents a wide range of views, including mine that for a teenaged young adult with a hard on and no pants under a short skirt with a history of obviously sexual and provocative posing to be held up as someone who should be in girls' changing rooms and then being called a 'child' and someone feminists should not be talking about is bonkers.

If this isn't about women and girls' rights what is? Being silent about issues that aren't pretty or nice is unfortunately something that has to be done, to prevent this kind of sexual dominance display being normalised and inflicted on teenaged girls. And incidentally severely damaging the image and sympathy for teenagers with gender dysphoria. To me, staying silent about that and looking the other way is abhorrent.

YMMV. The thing is, here we talk about it. We exchange the views, we explain different POVs. Without calling each other names, doxxing each other, thumping each other or making violent threats, or announcing that the other person is vile and subhuman for not agreeing.

In fact i think its worse

Gross hypocrisy

I think taking a picture of a (then) child like that and putting it on an internet forum is wrong

I think putting the same picture all over twitter is just as bad

The thing is you don’t represent women or mumsnet. Many many women who use these boards disagree with your views and are frustrated by the femisnism section being dominated by never ending debate on trans issues. I see the logic of some of the points made about female spaces, performing femininity and the danger of labelling children who aren’t ready to make life altering decisions. I am a woman (born with a vagina), I am a mother, I’m a feminist and I think taking a picture of a teenager and pointing out their genitals is abhorrent. To imply women/mumsent are on one side and people who support trans rights are on the other isn’t honest.

Maybe more articles/blogposts/media/videos on mumsnet/women's side soon will help. Another petition aimed at advertisers? A protest even? So they know that we have the numbers and the ethical position and the tactics the opposition is using. Terrorism aimed at women is an accurate description of what trans activists are doing and we should make sure that people know that. I'm fed up with TGLWGH tbh because their tactics are so low I just don't get what we are doing there - exposing trans activist tactics as widely as possible would be more effective. There are so many pics and videos of masked and kitted up protesters harrassing women, add that to the threats received by individuals and venues etc and expose it as much as possible. I thought Posie reading the online threats out loud was hugely effective, we need mainstream media to start covering that. People will be aghast at that and that politicians ignoring it. They'll wonder who will be attacked next. The police letting it happen will also shock. More pictures/footage of regular women talking about what has been done to them.

Sorry for the stream of thought but I just don't think TGLWGH on mumsnet is the most effective tactic esp as whatever we say just gets spun anyway.

Lila won't be a child anymore. The whole furore over the school bathroom was 2015 so I think they will be about 19 or 20.

At the end of they day, whatever you want to call us, only one group of people are having babies here!

TBC I think online spats with ‘media career’ folk like India are probably doing more harm than good.

I think the thoughtful discussions that went on before as regarding policy and how it affects women and children are being lost and that’s a pity as these are important points.

We are just women trying to get out point across about our concerns, trying to be heard above all the noise around this.

Perhaps we should just leave these Twitter warriors to their keyboards and continue to voice our concerns about how this affects around healthcare, education and employment opportunities for women.

Oh I wonder who the baby food/nappy makers would rather advertise to. Women or...

Oh dearie.

Crack on if they want to post pics of Lila Perry though

That is actually funny, ask people prudishly to look at an article and be outraged at anyone mentioning the unmentionables and see how all the girls in the school walked out because they were begin forced to?

Mind boggling.

I think its rather concerning who India has chosen to join forces with (I think India might have used her investigative journalism skills a little better) taking screen shots and then providing commentary isn't going to be as effective when people are following up to find the actual thread and discussion....

Bit light on the research again, hey?

But generally I think this is brilliant - the more people that see the picture of that trans teen in a short skirt and erection*, the better. Peak trans, right there.

• I couldn't remember their name - but top tip, don't google "trans teen short skirt erection"