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Lord Paddick resigns the LGBT LD executive

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 00:42

LGBT+LD @ lgbtlb
Public statement by the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats executive regarding the resignation of our honorary president, Lord Paddick:
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The LGBT+ Liberal Democrats executive has reluctantly accepted the resignation of Lord Paddick as our honorary president.
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Lord Paddick previously tended his resignation, which we declined when he made certain undertakings about his meeting with a group set up to oppose transgender equality legislation.
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We regret that those undertakings have not been honoured. Subsequently Lord Paddick tended his resignation again, which has been accepted.
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Lord Paddick has form for resigning

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brian-lord-paddick-quits-over-tim-farron-gay-sex-comments-lib-dem-liberal-democrat-general-election-a7789816.html%3famp
Lord Paddick quits as Liberal Democrat Home Affairs spokespeson following furore over leader Tim Farron's views on gay sex
The former Lib Dem London Mayoral candidate said the decision had been made 'weeks ago.'

He quit as LD home affairs spokesperson as he was uncomfortable with Tim Farron's views on gay marriage. The resignation prompted Farron's ultimately. He is an important and influential figure in the party.

I'm not quite sure what's going on here or why. It sounds like the LGBT LD didn't want him to resign. It sounds like its connected to trans issues and Paddick's position. The timing is interesting.

I don't want to read too much into this. But its suggesting a split in opinion and approach. (I don't believe this shows that Paddick is pro-women's rights. I suspect he is more pro-due process, at least at this stage). And that its damaging to the executive as a whole.

When is the meeting with Paddick scheduled for? It could be very interesting now. Looks like Paddick really is sticking his neck out.

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 01:24

Agree R0wantrees

The significant point here for me is that Paddick is well respected and actually in the Lords.

If this hits parliament, he is in a position to table amendments to any changes and to influence/persuade others of their need.

He might not yet oppose Self ID, but my gut feeling is his desire to try and reconcile different groups, does make me think amendments and exception clauses are more likely.

He appears to have done the much needed stepping up, i'd hoped for. I hope others follow his lead and take time to listen. The LGBT LD executive are extremists and need to be treated as such. It appears Paddick is slowly coming to that conclusion himself from what I can see.

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OlennasWimple · 20/04/2018 01:19

when he made certain undertakings about his meeting with a group set up to oppose transgender equality legislation

This, plus the bit about no publicity, suggests that they had an argument which ended in "Ok, go and see those nasty TERFs but don't tell anyone about it". But because they can't actually tell him what to do, and he isn't going to be told what to do by blue haired shouty types who have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end of real hatred and abuse, and because meeting with Women's Place is not something shameful to be hidden, they are throwing their toys around.

R0wantrees · 20/04/2018 01:16

I think that when things come 'out in the wash', it will be apparent that there are influential members of LibDem, WEP, Labour, Greens who are more driven by commitment to TRA than the political party they represent...

Pratchet · 20/04/2018 01:14

Please take the bums off the page

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 01:13

More than obvious. They are doing a lot of damage to the reputation of the party. Paddick seems to have had quite a run in with them.

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R0wantrees · 20/04/2018 01:06

I think its fairly obvious that whomever is managing the LibDem LGBT+ twitter account is more TRA than liberal or democratic....

Pratchet · 20/04/2018 01:02

Thank you for this update.

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 00:59

What he has retweeted today is an interesting. He seems to be taking more of a Debbie Hayton approach towards reconciliation.

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JustAnotherSpartacus · 20/04/2018 00:57

Paddick has publicly said he is meeting with A Womans Place soon and was getting criticised by some for it on twitter (I am blocked by a load of people, via some terf blocker thing, but the discussion is worth a look )

"I’m meeting representatives of @WomansPlaceUK soon to listen, understand & seriously consider their genuinely-held concerns. I will hold a similar meeting with representatives of the transgender community. It would be helpful if my genuine attempts to consult are supported." twitter.com/brianpaddick/status/986865233426898945

He got this response from the (crazy) Lib Dem LGBT twitter group

"You told us there would be no publicity about your meeting with transphobes.

This is a bit like publicity, isn’t it?" twitter.com/LGBTLD/status/987030412017963008

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 00:56

Brian Paddick pinned a tweet 4hrs ago.

It was part of a thread started by a woman's place.

Brian Paddick @ brianpaddick
Sadly, and genuinely it makes me very sad, there is a lot of hatred & bitterness on both sides. I know because I get it from both sides. Which is why I am no longer participating in any further discussion on twitter on feminist/transgender issues.

The previous tweets in the thread read as follows:

Woman's Place Uk @ woman'splaceuk
Woman’s Place UK was formed last year to platform women’s voices after incidents where women were threatened and assaulted for voicing concerns on the GRA.

Our focus is on preserving and improving the rights of women and making sure their voices and concerns are heard and their rights upheld. This is our primary function.

Politicians need to act to guarantee women’s voices will be heard and their concerns addressed free from threat, abuse, harassment or violence. So far, they have failed. So our campaign continues.

Brian Paddick @ brianpaddick (16hrs ago)
I’m meeting representatives of @WomansPlaceUK soon to listen, understand & seriously consider their genuinely-held concerns. I will hold a similar meeting with representatives of the transgender community. It would be helpful if my genuine attempts to consult are supported.

In response to that particular tweet woman's place replied

Woman's Place Uk @ woman'splaceuk
We are really Woman's Place Uk @ woman'splaceuk to be meeting you and look forward to the discussion. Thank you for stepping up.

So something happened between him tweeting in response to women's place and pinning the tweet.

He does not sound a happy bunny and he doesn't sound happy with how its played out on twitter.

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Weezol · 20/04/2018 00:52

It may well be one of the LD's attempts to make themselves credible again.
If it is, they should probably start by learning the difference between 'tended' and 'tendered' when releasing a statement.

OlennasWimple · 20/04/2018 00:50

Maybe Paddick has read a bit of the drivel put out by the LD LGBT+ Twitter account and decided he doesn't want to be associated with them...?

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