Lord Paddick resigns the LGBT LD executive

melamin

Exactly

It goes from

stop hitting your little sister

To

You are as bad as each other

Any minute now little sis is going to get the shock of her life when mum says

Stop annoying your big sister

Disclaimer: i do not have a little sister

It sounds like he is holding back a class of naughty schoolkids saying, 'Behave, you will get your turn'

He is also trying to look demonstrably even handed in a policey sort of way.

If the group that he is resigning from is related to that feral LGBT twitter group, can't blame him. I would be running fast for the hills.

I hope he listens and something comes of it. Unfortunately, I think things have been going on behind the scenes for so long, it may turn out to be a big bodge up. Still, being listened to is number one aim

it worries me that he's suggesting in his pinned tweet that both sides are as bad as each other

Well yeah...but until recently its just been anyone even vaguely gender critical that have been the bad ones

And least now an exasperated 'youre as bad as each other'

If both sides could condemn the extremist views on both sides maybe we could get to actually reform the gra in a positive way for all at the moment no part will touch it given the extreme views

Only one "side" uses the hashtag #nodebate. As Brian Paddick is finding out.

And perhaps if the "side" doing the doxxing, no platforming, threatening, punching would stop all that, perhaps we could get to a position where a debate could begin.

It is not an extreme view to say that only adult human females are women.

Bespin I am not sure what you mean.

You suggest 'genuine concerns' can be worked with - all concerns should be worked with, with a genuine commitment to understanding said concerns, whoever holds them. I don't like the idea of someone cherry picking the concerns they are willing to listen to by unilaterally deciding what is or isn't a genuine concern.

I have yet to hear any transphobic hatred coming from WPUK, yet alone 'all out hatred'. If you think some of the views expressed by WPUK are transphobic, this again sounds like a vehicle for excluding certain concerns from being explored.

You suggest 'the gra is a comprising law it as quite a few caviats in it that were compromise at the time'. Some people think there are too many compromises, some people think there are sufficient, some think there are insufficient. Again, all views should be considered.

I don't think both sides need to condemn 'extremist views'. Views are views and exist on a spectrum. I would get behind you in getting both sides to condemn behaviour designed to silence people and suppress debate. I would not get behind you in condemning some views from being heard and considered - this goes for ones that I vehemently disagree with.

Remember what happened to Nick Griffin - you should rest assured that if WPUK's views are extreme and full of hatred, the more people hear them the more they will be discredited by the public at large.

I'm cautiously hopeful also.

Paddick is going to get a trenchant lesson in which activists are doing what to whom. And I think he might even begin to realise that threats and abuse of women aren't the best declaration of womanhood a male born person could make. You never know!

Genuine concerns we can work with it's the all out transphobic hatred that a lot of people are apposing. If we can get back to that then as in all the discussions on trans rights comprises can be found all of our rights have them the gra is a comprising law it as quite a few caviats in it that were compromise at the time. If both sides could condemn the extremist views on both sides maybe we could get to actually reform the gra in a positive way for all at the moment no part will touch it given the extreme views

Also, didn't Piddick get a lot of grief on here not long ago for wanting to listen to feminists' views on the subject?

RedToothBrush thank you for this read, and especially for the explanation. I was struggling to understand the tone, especially as I had the impression of him that he was quite far down the rabbit hole and only asking to hear from feminists so he could play the "I've listened to both sides and now I'm sure that you're all literally violent TERFs" card, as played by a number of lefty liberal political men already.

I'm glad it's given him pause for thought. Suggests he really listened.

Qumquat. Afaik, he never said both sides were as bad as each other, he said there's a lot of hatred on both sides, which there is.

I am also pleased that he has declared that he will HT debate this issue on Twitter. Twitter has become so adversarial on these issues that this seems a really important step for anyone wanting to be involved in moving things forward

I think he was saying there is intolerance and hatred on both sides, which I agree with. I don't think WPUK is spouting any intolerance or hatred but there is some be spouted by gender critical posters (or people claiming to be GC) on Twitter.
As per BP's tweet about what he hoped for, WPUK will be pleased that he is wanting to hear from 'both sides', and they do not want to control or limit who else he wants to consult with.
The TRAs rightfully fear voices like WPUK being heard as it doesn't take long for people to discover the interests/wants of many women are not fuelled by transphobia but by legitimate concerns.
Whatever BP concludes, having completed his consultation, so long as he has conducted it with an open mind and with critical thought, he will have done his job well.

it worries me that he's suggesting in his pinned tweet that both sides are as bad as each other.

Yes quite. Will cautiously await his further thoughts once he's met A Women's Place.

That’s progress qumquat as he had said befor and iirc pinned a tweet apologising to LGBT types for even daring to ask why feminists are bothered by this. That was after he first said he wanted to speak to feminists and was jumped on by the loopy LD LGBT twitter account and a couple of beardy dudebros.

I think he’s meeting Karen Ingala-Smith as well as WPUK. I think when he does he’ll start to see that feminists aren’t the ones causing issues or threatening violence. They’re getting (rightly) cross on twitter but that’s not the same. As he’s only seeing it on twitter, and is desperate to appease both sides, his comments that we’re all as bad as each other can be understood.

It worries me that he's suggesting in his pinned tweet that both sides are as bad as each other.

This is interesting, isn’t it?
I wonder how this will progress.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness bollocks!!
Thanks for posting.

I'm hopeful (& annoyed that I'm hopeful i keep assuming logic will make the whole thing go pop but clearly that isnt happening - and almost certainly nothing is happening quickly enough to stop the snp )

There have been a number of complaints made to LibDems from members about the LibDem LGBT twitter account managers and those who may be using this account.

Regardless of what conclusion he eventually comes to about WPUK and self ID I think he's had a sharp awakening as to how toxic and how much of a loose cannon the group behind that twitter feed are. This is him quite sensibly distancing himself.

am cautiously hopeful....