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Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

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cforte0 · 19/04/2018 22:21

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone, even when we mention gender equality it is immediately presumed that it's an issue where women are in need of support and empowerment.
Is that not inherently sexist, solely focusing on the rights of only a subset of our species, why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?
There are at least 6 separate organisations where I work that advocate for gender equality and/or diversity and/or women's rights, and every one of them is focused on women's rights. Where I work females out perform and out number men, I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man, and there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.
I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

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Greymisty · 20/04/2018 00:26

Screw the donkeyarchy NKfell! Lol.

Greymisty · 20/04/2018 00:25

I have tried chocolate tea....

It's a bit of a starch to call it chocolate tea and o.m.g it's expensive was ok to good though.

NKFell · 20/04/2018 00:25

Could you make it with tea and hot chocolate? Grin

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:25

I'm not a men's rights activist for the record. Im just not a feminist and find the argumentation from you guys hilarious. I'm new to mum's net and find it absolutely hilarious with all the trans stuff that's going on that some of you are actually making the arguments from the right wing. We'd probably agree on some things. Just not feminism.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 20/04/2018 00:24

You should all try choco tea. It's basically chocolate and tea in one.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 20/04/2018 00:24

@AornisHades

Fruit teas?!!! Burn the witch!

NKFell · 20/04/2018 00:24

Eurgh I hate fruit teas...I miss that thread.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 20/04/2018 00:23

You are so pro women

Thank you Smile

you think they were dumb enough to think they thought they were too dumb to vote in the 1900s.

Wow.

NKFell · 20/04/2018 00:23

greymisty Grin I like it! Fuck donkeyarchy!

I think the anti suffrage movement were lots of people like you to be honest Antislut. Like I said before much like the “All Lives Matter” crowd. Blind that problems exist that need tackling head on not as part of a blanket Human Rights campaign. I speak as a black feminist who deals with both issues, separately and together.

Greymisty · 20/04/2018 00:22

Blackcurrent tea is NOTHING LIKE RIBENA.

NotTerfNorCis · 20/04/2018 00:22

It wasn't the disenfranchised women making that choice.

Well exactly.

MRA logic:

When women are exempt from the army, they're lazy parasites who don't deserve the vote.

When women fight in wars, they're 'cannon fodder' who share none of the glory of their male comrades.

What is you want, MRAs? An end to war? You'd get a lot of feminist support on that.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 20/04/2018 00:21

Believe it or not men care about their mothers and sisters and daughters and didn't want them to die

I'm sure they did.

I'm sure women also cared very much about their fathers, sons and brothers who had to fight and didn't want them to die either. However that was tough shit because men still had to fight and those women couldn't do a thing about it.

This was all before feminism.

Oh dear.

Not that men are evil and out to get them and made women into victims.

Gosh.

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:21

Anyway, I gracefully bow out. I used to be like you and I'm so glad I decided to hear the other sides arguments. You will never have your mind changed by an internet post because I never did. Hope you all have a lovely evening 😛

AornisHades · 20/04/2018 00:19

It wasn't your average man determining the right of working class men to stroll into the path of enemy bullets, sign up in jolly bands of pals to be annihilated and get trenchfoot. The ruling patriarchy made those decisions.
It wasn't the disenfranchised women making that choice.

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:18

Again, another black and white answer, with the extra special none words (internalised misogyny). You are so pro women you think they were dumb enough to think they thought they were too dumb to vote in the 1900s.

NowtSalamander · 20/04/2018 00:18

I have so missed people coming onto FWR and slagging is for being anything other than transphobes that I am willing to rename the movement gender communism and fight for men’s rights or whatever they want.

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 20/04/2018 00:16

Why was the Teascum thread deleted?

R0wantrees · 20/04/2018 00:16

Wine thank you lunamoth

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:15

The Soviet Russians used to let women fight in the military. Because they didn't care if they were canon fodder. Believe it or not men care about their mothers and sisters and daughters and didn't want them to die. This was all before feminism. The good kind that said women should do what they want. Not that men are evil and out to get them and made women into victims.

AornisHades · 20/04/2018 00:15

Ahem. I speak for the fruit teas. I was silenced last night whilst promoting my enjoyment of blackcurrant tea. It's like Ribena, but not Ribena.

Greymisty · 20/04/2018 00:15

@NKfell

Got to keep stomping onwards.....

To crush all the male toads?
Little rhino, little rhino
On the the savanna roads
Can't be arsed to carry anyone
And only knows what rhinos knoooooow

(Such talent I have!)

lunamoth581 · 20/04/2018 00:13

ROwantrees:

Flowers
PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 20/04/2018 00:12

Dod you know when the suffragettes were fighting for the vote a poll was done showing that 60% or so percent of women didn't want the vote. Why?

I'd imagine a lot of them had internalized misogyny and simply did not believe women were capable of either voting or being enlisted.

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:11

What an unbelievably black and white answer, who'd have guessed it!

NotTerfNorCis · 20/04/2018 00:11

Because if you had the vote you had to enlist in the army.

Not actually true. Plenty of men who could vote were exempt from military service. At the same time, plenty of men too poor to vote were conscripted.

If women were opposed to the vote it was because people were raised to believe that politics were unfeminine. One big argument against extending the vote to women was that in effect, the government would be giving husbands two votes. Of course now we realise that's nonsense, but a century ago it seemed like 'common sense'.

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