Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

I am here for my own benefit and nobody else's TerranceandPhilip. I'm not obliged to educate people (thank god), and when someone shows the degree of solipsism OP did, that is likely to be a thankless task.

Because anyone who doesn't support you absolutely must be male

He said he was a male

Tea is far more interesting than the OP is. Maybe he should try to be less boring?

but why do we have to do things your way TerranceandPhilip?

OP was clearly a numpty. if he'd had any degree of self awareness he most certainly would not have typed out his opening statement, thought 'yep that covers it' and hit post. Certainly not on a FWR board anyway.

So with that being a given, there was zero point engaging him. some people did, but I had more fun talking about rhinos.

I'm engaging with you. make of that what you will.

I'm now adding "talking about tea" to the list of seemingly banal things that women do that are actually oppressive to men, along with buying scented candles and having matching hand towels

Who said it's oppressive? It's more of an indicator that the board with the self proclaimed "most intelligent and brilliant women ever" couldn't even discuss/debate the points he made. Which to be honest, could have probably put him back in his box in the first few minutes.

I havent read the entire thread but hopefully I am one of many people commenting 'WHAT?!?'

feminism is for specifically tackling the oppression of women (which does actually also help men in many many ways which im sure people will have been pointing out on this thread)

Talking about human rights in general is great of course but you dont actually tackle problems by pretending they dont exist.
There are specific problems which specific groups face.

Good analogy is that office bock one where the office block has some steps up to it. Everyone can get in right? Well no. People who cannot climb steps for whatever reason cannot get in. So in order for people who cannot climb steps to have equality in this situation you would have to put a ramp in. Now it might look like that group is then receiving more attention or preferential treatment in having their needs considered.... but that is not the case. What has happened is that their needs have been ignored in the first place and their status not assumed to be the 'norm' so in order for them to achieve equal access to the office block that assumption needs to be undone.
Some people who can climb steps may have a sense of their natural superiority so ingrained in them by always having been assumed the 'norm' that they may not be able to see that this is fair and will feel like something is being taken from them or that the changes are not needed. They might say 'well just get someone to carry you or drag yourself up the steps by your arms, or just accept that that is the way the world is and theres nothing we can do' The people who cannot use the steps would need a specific group and voice to promote their perspective and experience in that case, and to put across the measures that would actually help them achieve equality. So that the people who can use the steps come to understand the true nature of their position and how it has impacted on others and their ability to access this building.

I made a note of the choco tea brand and am going to to holland and barrett to buy some.

I hope the masculinity of any male readers is still intact.

I know it's feminism 101 to change the meaning of words to meet your own agenda, but let's keep it to its common usage for now.

The man can't even read a dictionary (ROFL)

phobia
ˈfəʊbɪə/Submit
noun
noun: phobia; plural noun: phobias
an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

I think we'd all like to thank Terrance for offering to be our entertainment for the moment.

I'm now adding "talking about tea" to the list of seemingly banal things that women do that are actually oppressive to men.

True story: reading over my shoulder here t'other day, DH announced that he was going to call it forced feminisation when I told him to put the kettle on without saying please. I am so going to tell him that men actually think and suggest and moan about such things when they are not taking the piss.

My eyes are honestly boggling!

(Bows)

Always nice to be outstanding!

TerranceandPhilip - The arrogance is outstanding.

I would suggest it's fairly arrogant to say this

Both hate filled self interest groups who believe that the world owes them something and that they're disadvantaged in some way.

then ignore the very reasonable response given by Ellenripleysalienbaby. Do you dispute that violence against women is carried out by men in the vast majority of cases?

If you don't dispute this, do you think it's OK that some women might have a little bit of an issue with it?

@TerranceandPhilip

I think that's a great accolade there - outstanding arrogance.

I really like it. We will soon have the gender pay gap closed if women start demonstrating some outstanding arrogance.

Great idea. Thanks

I'm now adding "talking about tea" to the list of seemingly banal things that women do that are actually oppressive to men, along with buying scented candles and having matching hand towels.

(They get quite creative about this stuff)

LOL Camper, I don't think it is.

I think it's a skill worth cultivating for when you are in the mood for it.

(Outrage)

(Offense)

(Wimminz don't respect me at all and it's all terribly unfair!)

What exactly is wrong with belittling men?

When they come on to Mumsnet to mansplain us stuff, we have the right to belittle them.

And tea is an excellent thing.

I get a perverse pleasure from being incredibly rude while staying within talk guidelines.

it's probably a personality flaw.

And I see we've reached the "I supported feminism until I met you evil bitches" point of the MRA on a feminist forum lifecycle. Has he mentioned Christina Hoff Sommers yet?

Because anyone who doesn't support you absolutely must be male and a MRA right? The arrogance is outstanding.

Yeah but talk guidelines prevent us from taking a really good bite of the troll flesh, which is no fun.

I think when a man turns up earnestly expecting people to share his impotent fury because women won't do his emotional labour, a degree of pisstaking is order.

the alternative is going on a hulk smash rampage and I have just redecorated.

OK, "talking about tea is belittling to men" is a new one. Well done, you.

Honestly women, you do not owe yet another tedious entitled white man who knows nothing of what it is like to be a woman in the west, who has literally no fucking idea how different women's experience of life is, to that of men, even in the privileged west, any little moment of your time or brainspace.

Men like this are not here to learn or engage properly, if they were remotely interested in women, they would not be so motivated to come onto the feminist section of a woman's forum, in order to tell us how privileged we are. They are here to waste your time and suck your energy, just as they were socialised to do and don't even know that that's what they've been socialised to do.

It's a lovely day, there are gardens, parks, flowers, sunshine to bask in. There are other threads on Mumsnet to enjoy. Please don't waste your time engaging with men who are pointless bores, unless you are deriving a perverse pleasure from it.

Pretty much, Dixie! I know I made the cat's bum face when I opened the bag and took my first sniff.

And I see we've reached the "I supported feminism until I met you evil bitches" point of the MRA on a feminist forum lifecycle. Has he mentioned Christina Hoff Sommers yet?

self interest group

well durr.

I'll dispute the hatefilled though