Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

K ....off topic thread derail...

Upthread someone linked to this book and said it was fascinating. Oh my gods, Oh my gods, it IS, I've lost the past couple of hours....

Anyways...as you were....

I think the important thing about CB is that it was the woman who applied for it and who could get the money-unlike other benefits which went to the man.

this is why child benefit always went to the mother until Cameron and his cronies dismantled it

Assuming this is referring to the universal child benefit which everyone gets I don't think that is correct.Our son was born in 1990. We have always had separate bank accounts. We chose to get it paid to my husband's account. It definitely wasn't automatically paid me.

Sophocles 😂

wanting equality is not the other side of 'the same coin' if mens rights activists are the other side of the coin

Yeh I fell for that in my 40s. He'd read the female eunach and he definitely did not have madonna whore complex, he did love company of women but he would not commit and he used women but just 'nicely'.

Sadly, a lot of young men my dd's age have discovered that saying you're a feminist makes you appear sexy........

It's simple enough. MRA'S and feminists are two sides of the same coin. Both hate filled self interest groups who believe that the world owes them something and that they're disadvantaged in some way. Even the demographics are pretty much the same. White and middle class, living in a western country in 2018 believing they're "opressed" is laughable really.

Perps and their victims. Two sides of the same coin according to the misogynist world view.

Is feminism inherently sexy?

now there's a question.

I keep misreading the thread title as "Is feminism inherently sexy"?

Pew Pew!

You betcha, baby

Ditto ReluctantCamper!

I prefer dealing with sterotypical calling women love, strong and silent, builder type of man than a lefty lets talk about feelings (so he can centre his in everything) chinos wearing man, for similar reasons.

Duly noted!

I was thinking about why I enjoyed this thread so much. It was a bloody relief to see out and out misogyny of the type I've been dealing with since I was self aware. I know what to do in the face of that.

when the misogynist is wearing a dress and telling you it's clothes and makeup and a weird feeling inside that makes you a woman and they're just like you except you should die in a fire it's so fucking disorientating.

this is why child benefit always went to the mother until Cameron and his cronies dismantled it

A pedant writes.... That's not correct: CB went to the resident parent or whichever parent registered for it. One important "side effect" of CB was that claiming CB meant the ability to also claim missing NI pension contributions for the first six (I think) years, recognising that CB would mostly be claimed by women who would be far more likely to be out of work in order to bring up kids.

Because my job was far more secure at the time when DC came along, therefore my DH was more likely to be made redundant and potentially benefit from the NI make up, DH was the recipient of CB in our household. It wasn't an automatic "it goes to the mother" system

(I don't know if that has changed in the last few years, it's a while since we claimed it)

re salmon sandwiches: I recall talking to a Jewish woman who told me her family often didn't have enough food for all growing up (in USA) - so her parents gave the food to the kids and went without themselves. That's when I knew my family system and the misogynistic culture that supported it was corrupted My dad was more like that, although he worked two jobs to make sure there was enough. I suppose it does get complicated if you are so poor that the breadwinner would become so malnourished that they couldn't work. That wouldn't help anyone.

I remember my mum getting upset, she was talking about how poor they were in the 1920/1930s and my granny cooking a meal for the family, she was a wonderful cook. She would then sit down with a slice of bread and butter and say she didn't want a meal. My mum didn't realise till she was older that there wasn't enough food for everyone. My poor granny, she buried 3 children and was married to a womaniser. She had a hard life, when people used to say, "Hard work never killed anyone." she used to say. "It never did them much good either." She worked herself to death, still working and trying to make ends meet in her 70s.

Thanks Lyne I'll have a look at it :)

It's not funny. I work in a female dominated industry and yet men are much more likely to be promoted.

They are likely to gain leadership positions more quickly.

Where I work I would estimate 80% of the staff are female but our senior management team is entirely male.

Good job feminists have got nothing left to sort and we can get back to baking cakes and raising the children and earning the money because otherwise it's not fair

tl;dr he blames his mother

Thank you, because halfway through the initial post I gave up and flicked to the end to see how it had derailed - Mediterranean diets and tea I see.

re salmon sandwiches: I recall talking to a Jewish woman who told me her family often didn't have enough food for all growing up (in USA) - so her parents gave the food to the kids and went without themselves. That's when I knew my family system and the misogynistic culture that supported it was corrupted

Upstart I saw that one on Reddit

tl;dr he blames his mother

Has anyone posted this yet?

terrance many of us have battle scars from "debating" people like OP over many years. I personally can't be arsed any more. Nothing I say will change his mind about feminism and nothing he says will convince me that feminism isn't needed. A pointless waste of life and energy to argue.

However the fruit tea and donkey song makes it all worth reading.

On that basis, standing up for the rights of ANY group is inherently prejudiced.

bird your welcome but on another thread we have discovered duckphobia. No one has made a song yet or reccommended any type of tea for the situation.

@idontdowindows It's nothing special. Just Mediterranean diet tweaked to include a bit more calcium, and which doesn't cost a bloody fortune (because I found that the medical condition which led up to the surgery, and the recovery period which I'm still in, have negatively affected my earning capacity).