Reconciling competing rights

I dont think this is going to end well

And i dont mean lang and i

I expect there are a lot of people who hate swimming because they have bodies that are too heavy or are scarred etc.

There are trans only swimming clubs and I do understand that can help people (and I support that).

I don't understand why a group of people who would (presumably) understand trans only swim clubs (sessions at a pool) cannot understand women only spaces.

In terms of 'gendered' spaces at the pool I've been to five swimming pools in the UK in the last year. All five have shared unisex changing spaces with cubicles and then a seperare male or female room for communal changing. In none of these places was I, or anyone else, required to be naked in front of other people.

I was a care assistant 25 years ago, so 'arsewipe man' wasn't far off. Maybe i should have had a t-shirt made -my clients couldn't read, anyway, and if they could, they couldn't tell me. What a missed opportunity! If only we'd met sooner.

lang

Nope

I reckon you'll get bored of this before i....

Ohhh shiny thing

Do any of you open the PMs you get from creepy d00dz?

The arsewipe men are out in force this afternoon, are they not.

The last word is mine. It's all about me.

Last. Word.

Again with the direct spotlighting! Why can't you just get out of my face long enough and I'll go away. I'm only moaning b/c you suck at debate and all that's left is to bully me.

I claim the Last Word

Oh im not having that!

I am the Spartacus of Last Words. Women get all the Last Words.

I claim the Last Word.

5th rule of misogyny: Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

There are only a couple of people on this thread who failed to grasp the nature of the OP. In this post reconciling means persuading women to submit. This is obvious in every comment the OP makes. But not to you, MBD. Not to you.

I don't troll women, I troll bullshit. I need the women to talk to each other b/c it serves my perverse interests somehow.

MadBadDaddy

You do not appear to grasp that your editorializing and passing judgment on us, like every creepy d00d on the street, is rude and offensive. We do not view your attention as a compliment and we will not miss you if you stop.

It would seem so, if that's all you can see.

Is not having the last word the latest act of literal violence or something?

I came here to listen quietly, not argue. I probably need answers to this topic more than you do, TBH. I only spoke up when i did b/c this debate had already died a painful and shameful death, and bollocks if you don't want to see it that way. FWRs have advanced 0% in 251 messages. [golf_clap] but at least you get me to mess with.

If you stop talking about me then this debate loses its sole remaining purpose. Should I start another thread, so at least the 'angry' can stay out of the way of anything more constructive?

Don't think people like me are all rattling your locks solely b/c of the usual reasons men come to women. Even in RL, I am sometimes as confused as any woman I interact with b/c I'm not bringing the 'usual expectations' even when presenting as male.

Men who think theyre showing how smart they are by being incomprehensible and talking down to women are ten a penny.

When I was a bit younger it used to drive me nuts because I felt obliged to argue with them but as I've aged it's become essier for me to ignore and walk away.

They want a reaction I think, it's the adult equivalent of schoolyard harassment pulling pigtails or snapping the backs of bras. Not dismissing the seriousness of those at that age, they're a big deal then, but part of that is being trapped with it and having adults look the other way.

Its a wasp...thats giant!!

Im not speaking to anyone who doesnt get that reference

I can never understand his posts.

It's all the fucking buzzing!

I can never understand his posts.

What's he saying?

Treat me like a wasp in the room if you like, but when I've gone, I hope you will still hear a faint buzzing.

I was talking to Joan about arguments, not you, MadBad. You're the QED.

"arguments" as in what couples do, when there is only anger and frustration and any original point was forgotten hours ago?

"arguments" as in a constructive tool for communication and growth?

I can do either, the problem is so can anyone else, at any point. Perhaps the expectations here are too varied.