Bristol meeting tonight.

Link to Helen Lewis' article in yesterday's New Statesman

The Wolf affair also demonstrates another alarming phenomenon: the left getting high on its own supply of self-righteousness. “Some feminists have a different conception of gender to me” gets smudged into “some feminists talk about me in ways that I find offensive” and on to “some feminists are basically Hitler, trying to eradicate people like me”.

Once you reach the last statement, then of course you can slap a woman and still think of yourself as a good person. She wants to kill you; a mere punch is self-defence. (I’m not exaggerating about the language. The Edinburgh branch of Action for Trans Health tweeted the day after the attack: “Punching TERFs is the same as punching Nazis. Fascism must be smashed with the greatest violence to ensure our collective liberation from it.”)

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/madness-our-gender-debate-where-feminists-defend-slapping-60-year-old?amp&__twitter_impression=true

So I see they are saying it was the owner who threw someone down stairs. Again I call fantasy n this. Have no idea who the Si dude is that they are accusing of been an abuser.

Who was the sexual abuser there (the Tweet)? Libel, I'd have thought. I only just watched last night: wonderful event. Really spirit-strengthening. Why were the TRAs allowed in and on the stairs anyway? If it's private property surely they could have been booted out. Who'd have thought a Jam Jar had more balls than Millwall eh?

I have blocked out names for privacy reasons

Any chance of screenshots of the abuser comment? Or a heads up as to where I could see the discussion?

10 hours ago and the abuser comment refers to someone called si

When was that post made, cjdamoo?

“All we did was stand in their way?”

Leaving aside the wisdom of trying to confront anyone on the stairs (Health and Safety - one hand for the rail at all times), they were having a perfectly civilised meeting* in a pre-booked venue. How on earth was it acceptable to stand in their way?

*only watched first hour so far - assume things continued in that manner!

I dont doubt its absolute crap. The level of aggression levelled at those of us who queried the story was utterly telling.

Still, I am sure the police will take accusations of their dereliction of duty very seriously.

Since there were seven police officers there I doubt that anything more serious than the masked terrorists intimidating women happened.
Terrorists are not usually considered reliable narrators.

so it seems a trans person is claiming that protesters were attacked by feminists and thrown down a stairwell.................

Wow, I have been listening to this on and off all day and have finally finished and have to say how impressed I am at how many fearless women spoke out.

Thank you!

"I'm feeling fucking rebellious" - great statement from a great panel

I hope the other meetings are live streamed too - not just so that those of us who can't attend in person are able to watch, but because it completely contradicts the picture painted by TRAs that the meetings are some kind of coven where women stand around cackling at how they are going to eradicate trans people and planning heinous acts of violence. The only eradication going on was in relation to the contents of that wine bottle

From women's perspective it is terrorism but it is specifically directed at women themselves. From the venue's perspective atm it mainly seems to be economic threats (just as Mumsnet is being threatened with loss of advertisers), if that doesn't work then it's a small number of people outside shouting, which could piss off neighbours I guess. Have venues been receiving other types of threats and would they go on record to say so? Like for e.g. vandalism or staff being personally targetted.

@BrashCandicoot I found the same issue with Safari - I used Opera instead.

Brilliant, inspiring meeting - lots of information, a diverse group of speakers plus Sheila Jeffreys & Magdalen Burns from the floor. Sheila explained the source of the legislation contagion - so helpful to know the source of why all these undermining automatic policy changes that erase sex from any legislative equation - MRA inspired and funded of course. Thx DrRadfem and all involved

I had to watch the livestream through chrome - it kept bugging out on Safari.

I might be able to borrow DHs laptop if he isn’t on it, he is working upstairs, I’ll check.

Great thread from Twitter about the meeting Here

iOS is operating system on iPad. iPad would be nagging you if it wasn’t up to date so if iPad is not nagging you it’s not that. I don’t know then. It’s def available - I just cranked it up again. Have you a laptop you can try?

What is IOS ? *luddite
Is a new iPad.

When I do that i get a screen message “sorry, this content isn’t available to view at the moment “ or words to that effect.
I have a quiet morning, dds at school, so no distractions and really want to listen to all the incredible women there.

What if you try clicking on the link upthread? It works for me either way though, so if it’s not that I don’t know. (iPad iOS up to date?)

I’m on iPad.

I logged into Facebook, went to the jam jar page and the clicked on the video but it wouldn’t open. Should I keep trying or is there another way ? It has had thousands of views, which was heartening.