Julie Burchill - I knew I was right...

Name a sexual assault committed by a transwoman and I'll be against it.

Good! How about convicted rapists self IDing to get into women’s prisons and access more victims?

Julie Burchill - pissing people off since the NME in the 1970s. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

I love this thread!

Name a sexual assault committed by a transwoman and I'll be against it.

Good for you, you’re willing to listen to evidence!

Does anyone have the link to the website listing, Trans women who’ve committed violent and sex crimes?

Also, in theory, let's pretend Bindel genuinely believed I didn't/couldn't exist. So what? Am I actually going to puff out of existence like Tinkerbell?

A working class black transwoman will be treated more poorly than a working class white transwoman and both will be treated far worse than a so called 'working class woman' who writes for international newspapers

Victim laddering - the guardian is definitely your natural home. You’ll love it there.

Can you please elaborate on how many transwomen have been attacked physically by feminists this year? The murder rate of transwomen in the uk?

Then perhaps compare to the rate of murder of women by men in the uk and the number of TRAs who have threatened, assaulted and punched feminists this year?

Disagreeing with someone is not nasty. Only toddlers think that
Disagreeing with an ideology is not phobic or abusive

Attacking, discriminating against etc due to a protected condition is illegal and wrong. Disagreeing with someone, or criticising their ideology is not.

You would be wise to differentiate

Name a sexual assault committed by a transwoman and I'll be against it.

How magnanimous

She doesn't hate cats!

Hollie you are quoting a completely different person to the subject of this thread!

She is referring to a part of the article by Burchill that refers to her friend Julie Bindal.

Holly, mate, at least get your TERFs straight!

And this is where TRAs get confused about the meaning of words: eg 'exist'

Julie, being a rational person, accepts the existence of people, you see.
That she may have opinions on the innateness of sexual preferences is neither here nor there.

Do you understand how disagreement works?
People are not obliged to validate other people's feelings

Even if Julie Bindel does think a sexuality is culturally influenced........so what?

That you think this makes her into a homophobe just makes you sound unhinged

"As for your last if you want to welcome people with penis(es?) Peni? into places where women should be protected from them eg shelters"

Name a sexual assault committed by a transwoman and I'll be against it.

I mean, if she hates cats we might need to have words about that.

Another thread from the time (2013) regarding Moore and Burchill:
Women are being censored, I say NO

@HollyBee1 Why do you keep going on about Bindel when the article is written by Burchill?

Hollie you are quoting a completely different person to the subject of this thread!

I dont agree with her on bisexuality.

Right that’s sorted! Do I need to check her opinions on anything else? Her stance on early pruning of apple trees perhaps? Or if she likes cats? Because of course if we don’t agree EXACTLY on every issue ever I will have to dissolve into frothing hatred - I think that’s how it works right?

Or do we , shockingly, accept that we can vocally disagree with someone on some stuff and still find one of their opinions valid? My friend who is an evangelical Christian, does one of us need to convert the other before we next go out for a coffee and a natter? My aunt who is pro brexit, am I allowed to speak to her?

Pretty sure that punters in Brazil aren't murdering trans women who work as prostitutes because they're massive fans of Julie Bindel's writing, Holly.

"nnder city poor teens, or working class women, or black women, or a number of other groups."

Well yeah, they can be. A working class black transwoman will be treated more poorly than a working class white transwoman and both will be treated far worse than a so called 'working class woman' who writes for international newspapers.

Woah. As for the 'women get murdered too' thing - yes of course. That doesn't change the fact that transwomen and transmen are often murdered. They also disproportionately homeless, jobless and subject to violence, largely due to prejudice from people like Bindel.

You lot are the only ones playing the ladder game.

Nah, she thinks that there was a moment in time when it was trendy to pretend to be bisexual (but only for women). Actually there's been more than one cultural moment like that in my lifetime.

Try again!

Julie BURCHILL is actually bisexual btw...

"I'm bisexual and feel fairly confident that Julie and I would get along fine, on account of my accepting that just because I'm attracted to people of both sexes that doesn't mean that lesbians have to be."

That's not her problem with bisexual people.

Direct quote:

In 2012 Bindel described female bisexuality as a "fashionable trend" caused by "sexual hedonism", and broached the question of whether bisexuality even exists: "[B]isexuality is sold to heterosexual women as some type of recreational activity far from their 'natural home' of straight sex. It is seen as 'temporary lesbianism'"—having a girlfriend, for a straight woman, is like having "the latest Prada handbag".[83]

She thinks you literally don't exist.

Pictures of Julie BIRCHILL, author, columnist and subject of this thread

Not

Julie BINDEL, working class woman, lesbian, feminist and campaigner against child and trafficked women prostitution, prostitution in general and all around kick ass woman

For the TRA who can't tell the difference.

Interesting article OP & thanks for the link. I confess to having been naive on this issue thinking “live & let live”. My own feeling is that it is a situation we have sleep-walked into by virtue of not wishing to offend any minority group at all costs. I am all for trans rights but not at the expense of the rights of any other group least of all those who are vulnerable.
Agree with No user name for me. Why should people with the male appendage be allowed access to women’s spaces/events? The rights of the few can be taken too far.

Here's a 2013 thread about JB's original article. The thread was started by a trans poster and was critical of JB, but there's a lot of support for JB's view too:
Julie Burchill went too far in this article