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Trans people's experiences in male-only spaces

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Thanksforthatamazingpost · 19/04/2018 10:27

Can we talk about this? (sorry if it's been done before).

What experiences are male-born trans people having in male-designated single-sex spaces? What experiences have they had in the past?

How are these experiences affecting later decision?s they make about where to be, how to identify?

Is the behaviour of men - and women who choose to join in policing the definition of acceptable male behaviour - not the root problem here? Can we get more attention on to it?

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Havoc · 19/04/2018 10:56

obviously I don't own the thread but am hoping to gather some information about experiences in male only spaces.

Have you looked at trans forums? They might have the experiences you are looking for.

northender · 19/04/2018 10:54

Society's (men in particular) attitude to men & boys who like to wear make up/"feminine" clothes etc is at the root of a lot of these issues. At the moment, it is acceptable for women to dress as they wish, have their hair how they want, etc, although maybe not as much as it was say 20 years ago. Unfortunately I think that message has been derailed by labelling those boys & men as transgender. We are now even further from a situation where all people can present themselves in a way they feel comfortable without having to identify as anything other than their natal sex.

Thanksforthatamazingpost · 19/04/2018 10:51

thanks for replies.

obviously I don't own the thread but am hoping to gather some information about experiences in male only spaces.

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Yarnswift · 19/04/2018 10:49

I too would support third spaces. I believe that no one should feel unsafe or threatened in a space like a toilet or a changing room. I also believe that male bodied people should not access female only spaces - for the privacy and safety of he women involved and also because this does NOT solve the root problem of transwomen feeling unsafe in the male space. We cannot have one group accommodated at the expense of another. only a solution where all groups retain safety and dignity is acceptable to me

As a mother of boys I’d also like to see safer male spaces in general.

MsBeaujangles · 19/04/2018 10:41

I feel incredibly uncomfortable about transwomen having to use male-only spaces if this isn't their choice.

I feel extremely passionate about access to sex-based provision being determined by the sexed-bodies of people using them, because of the dignity, privacy and safety that this affords many.

If transwomen want to change in spaces for male-sexed people, I think this should be their right and that steps should be taken to make this a safe option. However, if using these spaces would undermine feelings of dignity and privacy, I find the idea of them being expected to use them truly awful.

This is why, in my view, we need third spaces.

Yarnswift · 19/04/2018 10:41

Something I wonder about... if the root issue is fear of Male violence then the answer is to fix the Male violence problem. Not to displace the males into the female spaces (since TIMs have the same violent offending patterns nd rates as men.)

If they want to tackle Male violence, I’m stood with them. If they displace the issue into female spaces then I’m afraid I have to fight back.

I’d also be interested to ask why, if the danger is from males, are attacks only directed against feminist women? Where is the campaign against anti-trans violence from men? The campaign for safer Male spaces?