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Do midwives tell you the sex of your baby? Or do they let you make your own mind up?

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Sarkyharky · 18/04/2018 08:17

If gender is fluid.

What happens nowadays if you give birth to what used to be called a boy? With a penis?

Do parents still say that they have a boy?

Is that hate speech? To assume a baby's gender?

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howiseverynametaken · 18/04/2018 08:37

Midwives have to register your baby on the hospital systems in order to generate the baby an NHS number (required for formally registering your baby). The gender will be whatever is anatomically evident at birth.

Flomper · 18/04/2018 08:37

No but they possibly should be, that's where the silly blue/pink delineation starts nowadays. I try and buy yellow or white " new baby" cards. Interestingly, my parents have a picture of my mum holding my newborn brother in front if the fireplace in 1983 and the cards are mainly white. A pale blue one and a pale green one. My photos are a sea of blue.

pastabest · 18/04/2018 08:35

I'm pretty gender critical, but these kind of threads could be quite harmful in diluting the very genuine concerns around the actual issues. It just makes people roll their eyes and think 'well that's just plain fearmongering, perhaps the TRAs have a point about those pesky feminists'

Of course sex is observed at birth. Most of the world is still thankfully pretty normal and is taking no notice of this debate on either side of the argument. To try and imply there are any plans that change this, or and real danger of being accused of hate speech for saying a baby is a girl or a boy, is in my opinion quite unhelpful.

Sorry

Sarkyharky · 18/04/2018 08:33

What about all the It's A Boy/Girl cards?

Are the tras targeting those companies?

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Flomper · 18/04/2018 08:31

well I think so but who knows now in the batshit world of self ID. I guess you can wait until the child is 2 and wants to self ID as a doggy and ask them then.

Sarkyharky · 18/04/2018 08:30

So you can have a male baby but can you still have a boy baby?

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Flomper · 18/04/2018 08:27

Well i have 4 of them and a sonographer told me each time that they were boys, because I asked. Interestingly, I actually know they are boys because they have XY chromosomes in all their cells (had to have genetic testing due to a genetic condition in the wider family, none affected).

I guess if you dont have that, a test which anyone can request or pay for themselves, you could argue that they mught be intersex and just look like boys.

I dont think thats what its about though. Some activists are arguing that you shouldnt assume that that male baby will want to grow up and be an adult male, they may want to transition at some point. Which is interesting really beacaue they are presumably saying dont push stereotypical gender roles on them in the meantime? Which is exactly what gender critical people are arguing..... I still think you have to say male, female or intersex initially though in order to have a starting point. Male and female are obvious and any suggestuon of intersex would, i hope, be thoroughly investigated by the medical professionals and genetisists and then taken from there in conjunction with the parents, though obviously there was some shoddy practice around this in the past, which is where the TRAs are appropriating "assigned at birth" from.