What makes a woman: documentary by Munroe Bergdorf

Gender Critical people are being invited on the debate. They want to show a range of voices. I wonder who the gender zealots will be.

Waiting with baited breath....

I am not from the UK. Where I come from, there are no pavements (so no high heels), women wear a version of trousers and men a version of the skirt to relax at home (it's nice and breezy in the hot weather). Makeup usually runs down faces and perfumes go rancid in the heat.

So far, I have been able to unravel the mystery of the two sexes and figure out who's a man and who is a woman using biology. The rules I learnt translated pretty well across continents, cultures and weather.

I hope the new definitions and rules translate back equally well - I wouldn't want to misgender anyone back home.

I'm quite certain that Bergdorf does not know the answer to that question, and would angrily reject any attempts to explain it to the viewers, given Bergdorf's previous statements about how terrible it is when women talk about their genitalia or reproductive organs.

To use a term from the 80s, this is a hostile takeover. Hopefully the program will help more women realize that.

Oh silly little me forgot!

I will make sure I watch the programme so I know.

If it's about Munroe's transition then fine, although maybe they could have found someone with less offensive views who is transitioning instead. I guess they wouldn't be Channel 4 then though?

Pretty dresses Chardonnay?

The debate program as part of that season looks like it could either be interesting or a car crash, depending upon who is invited / allowed to speak

If I had wild guess I would say heels and lipstick.

What else?

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-recognises-the-genderquake-with-a-season-of-programmes-about-gender

Found details.

Do you really think that’s likely, merrymouse ?

I mean, it could be about being a TW but Munroe says it’s called “What Makes A Woman” and it’s being aired on Channel 4 who are generally on the TWAW side of things.

MB has a history of being a bit clumsy with language and jokes... not sure they're the best person to host this kind of show.

It’s not even on the production company’s website yet. It could be a documentary about being a trans woman.

Munroe who tells us we’re doing feminism wrong?
Munroe who tells us that talking about our reproductive systems is wrong?
Munroe who tells us our pussy hats are wrong?

I think I’d actually like to know what Munroe thinks makes a woman. Can someone else watch it though because I’ll probably break the TV and I can’t justify the expense of a new one.

I wonder how they’ll edit the women who have agreed to be on the programme...

Information!

With no unformation except the programme title, I think we have to keep an open mind.

Fucking hell.

I was being ironic

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

I find that a completely meaningless expression, as if sex was some arbitrary thing that can be imposed by way of judgement instead of a core part of every human, determined from the point of conception.

Bizarre that Channel 4 decided to commission a show about (apparently) 50% of the world population and have it fronted by someone from the other 50%. But maybe I'm wrong and it will be an interesting piece on the social and medical aspects of transition.

Being assigned female at birth makes a woman, given 18 years.

8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

I doubt that Munroe is going to expose the actual process and activities that male bodied people use in an attempt to pass as female bodied. (I'm not talking about GRS, more imagining the sessions upon sessions of laser treatment, the having to buy special make up so that your five o clock shadow doesn't show through, the wigs because growing hair takes time and male pattern baldness is an issue, the tricks to hide your Adam's apple, the lessons in voice feminisation and learning how to walk, the bodily changes ...) I think Munroe would find that kind of thing a bit invasive (and Munroe wouldn't want any overly masculine stuff on national tv). So I'm guessing fashion and a lot of soft focus and brave and specialness. Less biology and more gender stereotypes. Maybe a few kittens.

Can we petition channel4 to commission peachyoghurt to make the same documentary please?

Ok, sincere question here. Is this show about what makes a biological male a woman (the journey, transitioning) or is this about what actually makes a woman a woman?

If it's the second, that's bloody confusing as each woman can be very different from another woman. There is one thing that all women have in common. xx

I am confident that this will peaktrans a lot of viewers

An examination of womanhood?

MB has had male socialisation.

Is that acceptable to point out? I make no value judgement, one way or the other. Just making a factual comment.