Why are 'trans' males out of bounds for feminists?

Lengthy appeals to female socialisation by way of personal anecdotes on feminist forums are just another way of saying put me first yes, it's tedious, I've been biting my tongue for a few weeks.

Feminists put women and girls first. That's the point of feminism

Amen to that.

@yetanothertranswoman

The fact is that there are studies showing that males who identify as transgender, pre and post transition, retain the same rate and pattern of criminality as men do, which is very different from the rates and patterns of crimes women commit.

I'm not going to provide links, you can use google as easily as I can.

Bring snacks :)

But seriously tho and back to your original question - I don't think they will be out of bounds for much longer. This whole fad is unsustainable.

My fantasy me would just be me but living peacefully on a different planet :D

Absolutely, Rosenberg.

Mine too (personal experience)

That's what frightens me tbh. It's not the lame threats or the silly poses or the gross fetishes. It's the narcissistic rage just moments away, the knowledge that nothing is too far, too much, too vicious, and it can all be unleashed by just saying No.

Frightening.

I read a few years ago that gender dysphoria was co-morbid with NPD in 80% of dysphoric people. No idea where the study is now but so far personal experience bears it out.

Mine too. I remember it was an Iranian study.

My point as the 'OP' is that that transwomen are male. The law allows us to exclude males from female spaces when that is justifible. We are now being told that excluding some males is still allowed but only if they don't self ID as a 'gender' they call 'woman'. These males cannot be excluded. Why?

Supermatch?

I read a few years ago that gender dysphoria was co-morbid with NPD in 80% of dysphoric people. No idea where the study is now but so far personal experience bears it out.

It can be quite liberating knowing how they think of is, eventually. Because it means we can stop giving a shit.

Be well HopScotchy. Women know you are real, and we have a much more evolved sense of reality.

That's what happens when people try to keep up with the demands of narcissist, it is crazy making.

This is already causing some serious problems in the medical field.

Yep basically. I'm not even sure if it's acknowledged that we have feelings.

At best we are mirrors, at worst we are dolls. Humans, never.

The way the law is being interpreted is that males can be excluded from female only spaces unless they are one of the males who has received a GRC and changed of sex designation on the birth certificate. At that point they must be treated as though their XY body is actually XX all evidence to the contrary.
There are those who say that was not the intent of the law while others say it is.

Because they experienced rejection in the past and it hurt their feelings so now it's really important we don't reject them again.

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Lol supermatchgame you are a funny guy. Stupid, but funny. I know it isn't intentional but cmon dude, at least you have something.

Women feel frustrated when we hear from men how transpeople suffer, because actually many, if not most, of us feel like that , we just don’t talk about it

Well we do talk about it, a bit. We just don't go on and on and on about it.

Lengthy appeals to female socialisation by way of personal anecdotes on feminist forums are just another way of saying put me first. Feminists put women and girls first. That's the point of feminism.

Exactly this.

God I wish I was funny.
You're definitely not. Trust us.

I AM SO CONFUSED.
At last we agree.

So? Who the fuck are Stonewall anyway that they get to tell us how to speak?? Why should we accept their authority??

I'm not saying you should. I was saying that it wasn't my term. It came from somewhere else eg. Stonewall.

Bye.

I know when a discussion is not actually a discussion. But a debate on shooting elephants in which the elephants are not welcome to comment because only humans get to do that.

Eh?
I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere. Why is a trans identified male like an elephant? Something something something something. God I wish I was funny.

I pointed out that elephants might have something useful to add to a discussion over the rights or wrongs of what we as humans do to them.

Again I say Eh?? If a woman is a human then a man is like an elephant and she is trying to shoot him but he could convince her not to if she would just listen? I AM SO CONFUSED.

Feminists talking about why they are being stopped from talking about males who claim to be women should have a male around to inform them of how it feels to be a male being talked about by women?

Is this one of those "men are actually the oppressed class" things? I'm trying to make sense of it but if you start from the point that women are an oppressed class and men are the oppressor class (a basic feminist position) NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE.

It's not my term. It's Stonewalls

So? Who the fuck are Stonewall anyway that they get to tell us how to speak?? Why should we accept their authority??