John Mann, Labour MP - wife received rape threats by Left wing men

Anyone else notice that carljfree has a posting style that is just like the much-missed claig?

What an astonishing coincidence.

Apparently Corbyn regrets that he ‘didn’t look closer at the image at the time’.
I mean, how close do you need to get?
There’s also the fact he actually read and responded to the words ‘ Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are.
I would say I can’t believe believe can are defending him, but I can. That pesky right wing media, using Corbyns own words to smear him with, how dare they?
2 legs bad, 4 legs good. Baa baa

Delurking on this thread to salute Lass and Fermat’s wonderfully knowledgeable, evidence-based short shrift. I hate it when we get single issue ploppers.

You and me and 99% of the world, Lass. I fail to see how anyone could look at it and not be reminded of that.

I'm still wondering where the new poster popped up from, and why.

The mural looked like something produced by Julius Streicher. It was in the style of pre 1939 German anti-Jewish propaganda.

Any one who is familiar with Russian and German history will recognise the Soviet Communist hero type posters and German anti- semitic posters. I immediately thought of the latter.

Hi again, Fermat's Theorum. Feel free to keep making assumptions. We live in a democracy and so it is the prerogative of anyone to make assumptions and express opinions. I prefer to go for facts and evidence myself. You may have missed the bit where I said

"I have no way of knowing if the artist is an anti-Semite".

I have seen the newspaper stories and have seen an article about the composition of the characters in the mural. I apologise if querying the prevailing narrative upsets you. If you have evidence that the artist is indeed an anti-Semite then feel free to share it. Or similarly feel free to stick with opinions.

Hi Fermat's theorum. I am neither a member of Momentum nor of the Labour Party. Of course I abhor rape threats and I hope that the police prosecute anyone who has carried out such vile threats. It is just that there needs to be separation of facts and fiction. The dead bird incident is being portrayed in the media and on here as something carried out by Corbyn supporters. I apologise if my comments were construed as meaning that I in anyway approve of rape threats or of threats of violence or murder. There is no place for this in any walk of life including political discourse. I condemn threats against Jewish MPs as well as against non-Jewish MPs. Of course that is a far more serious matter than inaccuracies on social media. But I find it hard to let inaccuracies go I am afraid.

Bloody hell, there's scraping the bottom of the barrel, and then there's keeping going all the way to Australia... Yup, I was right. Desperation over not getting the landslide you'd anticipated.

In terms of "that mural" which we are told was anti-Semitic...does anyone here know how many of the men pictured in it are/were Jewish? Is it everyone's assumption that of the six sitting men sitting around the table, all are representations of Jewish financiers. I am in no way condoning anti-Semitism, but if the artist's intention to was portray a Jewish conspiracy, does it not seem strange that four of the central characters (including Rockefeller) are not Jewish? Perhaps as he claims he was merely drawing attention to the exploitation of the world's poor by a multi-ethnic group of capitalists? I have no way of knowing if the artist is an anti-Semite. But I have consistently carried out research behind the headlines as I do not always trust the way that information is being presented. Sometimes the facts of the matter are at variance with how the story is presented.

Welcome to Mumsnet, Carjfree. How nice of you to have bumped an old thread as your first contribution. Are you perhaps a Bromentum-ite feeling peeved that Labour didn't romp away with the local election results the way you'd hoped?

Anything to say about the threats of rape? It wasn't like there was just one, one-off instance that Mann talked about in his speech.

My village lies within the constituency where John Mann is the local MP (ex-mining community, very depressed and run down). It is well known within our village who sent the dead bird, and he did it because John Mann wouldn't (aka couldn't) get involved in overturning his claim for disability benefits and eventual eviction.
Every community has an individual who is well known for being a bit odd,- he was a major hoarder which resulted in a private prosecution by the fire brigade and eviction by the local authority), serial complainer, ASBO'd to the hilt, no personal hygiene, and a well known and unashamed BNP member.

Clearly no one should receive threats or dead birds. But we need to be mindful that the dead bird at least could not have been sent by a Momentum member. It arrived at the Mann's abode in 2012. Momentum did not exist then.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-wife-sent-dead-bird-in-post-7767068.html

@Childrenofthestones

I lived in Liverpool during the reign of Derek Hatton and militant tendency.
This is the same shit, different arse.
We certainly live in interesting times.

Me too! I feel absolutely livid that I have been taken in yet again!

Its not smearing, the issue is this section of the Labour party have never had any scrutiny because until now they had no influence. To be brutal no one cared what they were up to. Now people, the media etc are shining a light on them, it's no good blaming that light for the fact that people don't like what they see.

It's okay - ladies. I've had it explained that this is actually being done by Corbyn's critics just to cause trouble . And that the labour party just needs to get rid of centrist MPs - especially Jess Phillips.

They are all quite insane

I lived in Liverpool during the reign of Derek Hatton and militant tendency.
This is the same shit, different arse.
We certainly live in interesting times.

@Hypermice. Absolutely. Abuse of any kind is unacceptable.

My uncle was still in the miners union during the strikes. Labour is my natural political home. Or it would be, if it wasn't full to bursting point with misogynists and people who think that protecting Corbyn's reputation is more important than stopping members from harassing this MPs family.

There is so much smearing going on against Labour and Corbyn

Maybe. But frankly, their misogyny alone (which they haven’t been smeared on in the press because who gives a fuck eh?) puts me off. Add in the antisemitism and I’m not liking the lefty thoight police just now. And I’m a northern pit town raised leftie.

There is so much smearing going on against Labour and Corbyn, I wonder if they know for sure that all these things are being said by Labour supporters and not people pretending to be from Labour

You are ignoring the fact that there is so much about Corbyn,McDonell and Momentum which can be validly criticised regardless of the political persuasion of the person making the criticism.

We need a clear out of Momentum members from the Labour Party, which won't happen while Corbyn is Leader.

There is so much smearing going on against Labour and Corbyn, I wonder if they know for sure that all these things are being said by Labour supporters and not people pretending to be from Labour.

If you’re in public life you accept the risk of your actions being robustly criticised in the press and online.

You do NOT accept your family being threatened with rape, or any threats of violence to yourself or your family. I hope this gets investigated, and I hope the culprits are dragged out into the light.

It’s also a shocking indictment of how labour are running the party at the moment. There is NO PLACE for antisemitism in any party I would vote for. There should also be a zero tolerance policy for this violent, misogynistic shit.

What the hell happened to our society where rape threats against family are usedvrather than a stinging debate against ones opponents in parliament? It’s is absolutely fucked up.

I cannot vote labour ever again unless I see a root and branch denunciation and total removal of this behaviour.

@SirVixofVixHall
I feel a level of disquiet - like the canary in the coal mine - I can smell a strange smell and it doesn't bode well.

The law enforcement systems have been weaponised, along with welfare, health and education. Social media are the armed forces creating the attacks and insecurity vital for capturing new ground. Abusers violate and harm in relative freedom it seems. I am gaslighted wherever I try to talk about this systemic stuff online by moderation policies that protect abusers.

I think I'm starting to feel I may end up as a refugee and run for the hills. I know this is what the bullies want - to create that insecurity.

The lack of moral fibre and character is what is missing from many politicians who as you say are a whole load of spiteful small time bully boys. I think this may be by design - it started with Thatcher and Reagan as a concerted effort to undermine the relative security after WW2. The political parties have been neo-conned and have no relevance to me anymore - spoilt vote I think

Note to self - make some headway on setting up a radfem platform

What I do not understand with Corbyn is after a terrorist attack with ISIS connection one of his early responses (and rightly) is not to connect Muslims with the atrocities. We do not hold other people living in the UK for their countries action, we do not hold Americans responsible for trump, Russians for Putin and yet it seems some people are unable including Corbyn to have the same standard for Jewish people.