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The Guardian: I'm boycotting it

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Merchfach · 17/04/2018 10:24

I've been reading the Guardian since I was 16, so that's 40+ years — and now I'm boycotting it. Every week there seems to be a pro-trans article on the front page of the online version and not a mention of the difficulties WPUK are having holding perfectly legal meetings to discuss changes to legislation. All power to Hadley Freeman and the other feminist staffers trying to raise the issue but it's too little and too late.

I'm looking for an alternative news source and for the first time in my life I'm actually considering the Times or the Telegraph, neither of which have been allowed over my threshold till now. I'm told the FT is good source of well-researched news but I don't think I can afford it.

Any other Mumsnetters in a similar situation? Any recommendations? I don't even want to click on the Guardian on line: it's dead to me and I'm not going to forgive and forget this betrayal.

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Trousersdontmakemeaman · 19/04/2018 19:30

Funny aside, I just looked at my Guardian user account and noticed my user name is fedupofbiasedjournos registered September 2009!

Nothing new to see there then.

derxa · 19/04/2018 18:46

Sorry Pickling I didn't see that you had posted the same. The comments are very muddled/mixed.

PutTheChocEggDown · 19/04/2018 18:44

I was a fan and was planning to pay. Recently I've changed my tune. No way will they be getting a penny from me. I've peak Guardian-ed on a whole lot of issues.

MrsWooster · 19/04/2018 18:44

It's so sad; it's my tribe, part of me. The Observer IS Sunday but there comes a point when it's just not ok to see whole debates ignored. There will always be some great writing in it but I will read that online and find a more balanced view elsewhere besides, everyone know the Telegraph cryptic crossword is easier than the Observer

Angryresister · 19/04/2018 18:40

So many pieces on Trans issues , mainly having a go at gender critical women...then the comments are closed down very quickly so we don't even get a chance to reply... So bored of hearing narcissists align themselves with L and G struggles.

LineyHasntLeftTheBuilding · 19/04/2018 18:29

OTOH

Hadley Freeman - good

Windrush investigation - good

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 19/04/2018 16:15

the long read is usually excellent, there was a great one recently about how unpaid internships cut off access to journalism

I like the long read but apart from that I rarely visit the Guardian these days as it pretty much jumped the shark years ago by pursuing a click-bait based advertising policy. Some of the utter halfwits they have commissioned to write piss poor pieces devoid of any research or facts is actually quite embarrassing. Plus, as alluded to here already their editorial policy of either ignoring or playing down news stories that don't fit with its agenda basically prevented the Guardian from being treated as a serious newspaper.

ChickenMe · 19/04/2018 12:57

Have never liked the Guardian but I'm not really a leftie
I find it so pathetic and find myself shouting oh ffs
Glad more people are realising it's some stupid hipster beard club

theyoniwayisnorthwards · 18/04/2018 23:39

Hard to understand why anyone would trust the times after the misreporting about Muslim foster carers, that’s before you even get to the Murdoch issue! I really like the Guardian, the long read is usually excellent, there was a great one recently about how unpaid internships cut off access to journalism, broadcasting to young people who don’t have family money or other resources. Also like it’s lifestyle section, particularly Sali Hughes and enjoy Hadley Freeman and Mariella Frosthup

Pywife2 · 18/04/2018 23:33

Morning Star.

LemonysSnicket · 18/04/2018 23:25

Oh! And they have an ‘ageless style’ section which is trying to bring women from middle age and up back into the spotlight, as humans, as valued people and as inspirations. It’s lovely that they refuse to ignore such a huge demographic.

LemonysSnicket · 18/04/2018 23:23

Indeed @HairyBallTheorem Bryony Gordon writes for them too ... she’s sometimes a bit on the nose but she is fantastic about writing on mental health and it’s importance.
The Telegraph is also pushing quite a few stories about motherhood and loneliness recently which is good.

Their female columnists rarely mince words.

HairyBallTheorem · 18/04/2018 23:19

Good point Lemony - I was surprised to find when I took out a sub that the Telegraph has Joan Smith writing for them on a semi-regular basis! And yes to whoever pointed out upthread that they cover women's sport seriously. They have the wonderful Maggie Alphonsi writing a lot of their rugby coverage.

LemonysSnicket · 18/04/2018 23:15

The telegraph can be a bit Tory but their lifestyle (women section) is actually measured, varied and many of the writers are labour supporters

southeastdweller · 18/04/2018 22:02

They say they receive sponsorship for covering certain issues which they don't always declare on the copy. Plus they are making a few million from online donations/begging which has no public accountability or transparency at all as far as I can see.

That particularly pisses me off because it's the most expensive of all the newspapers in the U.K for the print copy.

I'm one of many on here that subscribes to the Times. Not only do I get access to the daily editions but also to archived content going back 200 years. I don't agree with all the views but overall it's terrific value.

Ereshkigal · 18/04/2018 11:22

So many women stopped reading it because of Cologne. Yet when you talk to left wing men about this, they're often completely nonplussed as it didn't register with them.

BonnieF · 18/04/2018 09:55

I was a life-long Guardian reader, too. Cologne was the last straw for me. The way women were blatantly thrown under the bus to protect the Guardian’s officially sanctified, above criticism, patriarchal misogynistic pet minority.

They also ran countless articles of minimising and whataboutery on Rotherham, Rochdale etc etc.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/04/2018 09:43

I have a theory on this that people who aren't actually sure of their views, possibly because they've adopted them on the basis that they're the "correct" ones to have, can't cope with having them challenged because any challenge or alternate viewpoint might lead to them changing those views (because they're not based on anything other than the approval or disapproval of others), and that's why they prefer to exist in the media bubble.

Childrenofthestones · 18/04/2018 09:32

As a life long unionised, Labour voting Guardian reader if you had told me 3 or 4 years ago that I would be reading The Times via a short stint with The Telegraph I wouldn't have believed you.
. It was when it changed into a left-wing version of the Daily Mail that I thought enough was enough.
I started to notice with the Times and the Torygraph I take twice as long to read the paper as the quality of the writing was so much better meaning I don't bale half way through the article from boredom.
I freely admit now looking back that with regards to my media sources I was in a bubble only reading my own opinions in other people's writing.
I have enjoyed having my views challenged.

DeltaG · 18/04/2018 09:01

I was starting to tire of the Guardian's inability to call-out the misogyny and homophobia of radical Islam as far back as Charlie Hebdo, but the Cologne incidents were the nail in the coffin for me. They now seem to have disappeared down a red pill rabbit hole into a chiral dimension with their 'night is day' trans agenda. The blatant hypocrisy of this with their position on Rachel Dolezal was also too much to ignore.

Growing up white and working class, their champagne socialist tendencies always irked me somewhat, but I was prepared to accept them as you can't have everything and I agreed with their stances on many issues.

Sadly, they are now stuck in an identity politics quagmire and seem unwilling to accept that the line they take on all manner of issues is not in agreement with much of it's readership, certainly if BTL comments are to be believed (when they are allowed, which seems rarer and rarer).

I will never part with money to read it again.

Pratchet · 18/04/2018 08:50

Subbed to the Times and Spectator purely because they support women on this. Agree with OP: I don't like to give the Guardian a single click nowadays.

whoputthecatout · 18/04/2018 08:44

The Telegraph is far more pro women than the Guardian. It's especially pro women's sport. Too easy to dismiss it as right wing.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/04/2018 08:34

Yeah I'm fine with articles I disagree with, and sometimes reading something you think you will disagree with can change your mind, or tell you something you didn't know yet. Meanwhile the Guardian is heading firmly in a stick fingers in ears and scream "I can't hear you you bigots!" direction.

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