Dr Nic Williams on Talkfm at 9.20, Girl Guiding.

And on that point, do you think they actually have jobs?

No. I don't. Not paying jobs anyways.

Which is why the trans bandwagon is so important to these people.

They are hoping that it will open up consultancy opportunities (and for that, they mean talking about how hard they've had it and how inspirational and fabulous they are) for the unemployable.

Focus must now be on how this and other similar policies and legislation have come to be constructed.
Agree. Exposing the motivations and tactics of the activists pushing these policies to people only just becoming aware will blow their minds. And that will bring the house of cards down.

Not them Mel. The prolific trans tweeters. Not naming them, it just encourages the fuckers to act all victimised

The belief that discussing/debating issues about girls and women's rights requires two sides: one representing TRA and the other women's concerns is itself damaging. It reinforces the narrative that women's concerns are 'anti-trans'.
This has been exploited by some TRA and absorbed by many (innocently) within the transgender community and beyond
The challenge is to a policy which is flawed.
It is refreshing that in this segment Nicola Taylor's position was positioned as it should be in relationship to the organisation with a contentious policy.
Focus must now be on how this and other similar policies and legislation have come to be constructed.

The reasons why girls and women may feel unable/unwilling to share certain spaces/services with those born male should not be so easily dismissed as 'bigotry'. Those who have contributed to a climate where this is even possible must consider the wider, serious implications...

This.

We cannot be creating safeguarding policies (or law) based on the fictional idea that because a male says he feels female he becomes exactly the same as a girl.

Telling people this is a bigoted position is clearly wrong and just plain dangerous from a safeguarding perspective.

Not because people think trans people are dangerous or bad or shouldn't have rights. But because we have policies based on biology not how people feel.

Someone with a penis doesn't have the right to go in girls showers or sleep in their tents just because he feels like it. That should be bloody obvious to anyone responsible for child safeguarding.

JHB did say she would have signed the petition if she'd known about it. Its not too late, so please can someone tweet it to her

Have you discussed the issue with her, or does she think it's a storm in a teacup?

No I haven't. I'm pretty sure she'd think it was all a bit hypothetical and a fuss over nothing at the local level, so I'm biding my time. And I don't see why my granddaughter should miss out on what should be a positive experience. Experience has taught me to pick my battles.

Anyway, I see withdrawing is the coward's way out. We all know that girls are going to withdraw from competitive sports if this nonsense carries on; surely fighting for girls'/women's rights from within the organisation is a better strategy?

Oh dearie.

The mad TRAs are 'not happy' about Julia HB.

It's making my morning.

But it is stopping me doing any work.

And on that point, do you think they actually have jobs, because all they do all day is tweet about the 'nest of vipers' that is mumsnet and look for 'evidence' they can screenshot and tweet.

Just listened again to JHB and actually laughed out loud at the supreme irony of the first ad in one of the ad breaks.

'The McCulloch Man' using his mighty mower to get the all-important lawn-mowing job DONE in double-quick time so he can get back inside to watch the football.

It couldn't have been a more perfect example of the gendered expectations society is ramming down our throats at every possible opportunity. If you're a man you mow lawns and watch football. If you're a woman you wear sparkly pink things and coo over fluffy kittens. God almighty. No wonder our children are confused.

for AgnesBadenPowell and everyone fighting the good fight.

To those who have asked, scouts are open to both sexes, however they identify.
Their policy is here on their website:
members.scouts.org.uk/supportresources/4228/gender-identity-supporting-young-people?cat=377,378&moduleID=10

Note that they do not HAVE to segregate sleeping arrangements/ facilities by sex but that parents do know in advance so can give informed consent.

Trans children sleep etc as their chosen gender, if they wish.

Girls who have submitted to domination.

It's like the surrendered wives movement.

My five year old granddaughter starts Rainbows tonight.

Have you discussed the issue with her, or does she think it's a storm in a teacup?

Read out GG statement saying all girls are welcome (!) newspeak obviously, and shame its become politicised.

What weaselly words. Nobody knows what they mean by 'girls' any more. They've changed the definition, so which girls are they talking about here? Girly girls? Girls who were born girls? Girls who were born boys? Boys who were born girls?

Excellent that JHB did not bow to the #nodebate tactic, which is to refuse to take part in an attempt to make an 'unbalanced' interview impossible. The BBC falls for this all the time. All they really have to do is reach out and request - and if the TRA say no, then that's tough luck, they were given the chance. Too often, broadcasters cave and say 'if we can't get both sides we can't go ahead'. Sorry but that's a TRA strategy that talk radio called out. Credit to them.

My five year old granddaughter starts Rainbows tonight. I won't be encouraging her or her mum to withdraw, as that's just giving in, but I will be watching closely from the sidelines in a way I wouldn't have ever dreamed of doing before.

I can't believe we're even having this debate in 2018.

How is it safe for transboys to stay alone with a group of teenage boys?

Really important to consider that in the implementation of transgender inclusion policies that seek to support those people born male, the impact on girls and women participation should ALSO be taken into account and at the least, monitored.
Whether in sports, girl guides, supportive services or safe spaces some girls and women may lose their place or quietly withdraw. Those girls and women must also have a voice and their needs respected equally. Policies where the only comment is to 're-educate' or state that the girl/woman should therefore themselves be excluded are in this respect inherently sexist.
The reasons why girls and women may feel unable/unwilling to share certain spaces/services with those born male should not be so easily dismissed as 'bigotry'. Those who have contributed to a climate where this is even possible must consider the wider, serious implications....

talkradio.co.uk/radio/listen-again/1523943000#
Link for show, see 9.20

Also if you're a girl in the wrong way then you're not a girl, and we're going to gently encourage you to leave. Yay for supporting girls!

I wonder how many other mothers like me are deciding that perhaps Guiding is not the best organisation for their daughters?

Just found this! Is there a "catch up" link by any chance?