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Dr Nic Williams on Talkfm at 9.20, Girl Guiding.

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Melamin · 17/04/2018 09:19

talkradio.co.uk/radioplayer/live/talkradio.html

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SmurfOrTerff · 17/04/2018 21:28

As Julie Bentley is leaving surely it would be a good idea for Guide leaders to see if this can be reviewed.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 17/04/2018 20:36

Looking forward to listening to this later when I am home from work. Although I am tempted to play it here for everyone else to hear too as it sounds like Dr Nic did great.

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Melamin · 17/04/2018 19:36

I would have thought that, if what the judge said in the case where a child was placed in his father's care after his mother fell heavily into affirmation is any guide, the most appropriate place for a male child that is non gender conforming would be the scouts, where there is the opportunity to work with both boys and girls and the child does not close off the option of socialising as a boy.

Encouraging the GGs to change their policy is about society affirming the identity of transgender male to female persons, and is therefore the political act that the GGs were scornful of, and accused Fair Play for Women of, in their statement this morning.

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Melamin · 17/04/2018 19:34

It's good to talk Grin

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MargeH · 17/04/2018 19:31

Well, I took the opportunity of raising the GG issue with DD this afternoon (granddaughter starting Rainbows today) and....wow! She positively erupted with suppressed GC views. Shock

I'm so proud to have raised a feminist.

R0wantrees · 17/04/2018 17:45

I think once the thread is pulled it will become apparent...

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Melamin · 17/04/2018 17:21

Focus must now be on how this and other similar policies and legislation have come to be constructed It would be interesting to know who advised them. Some of their wording is a bit fishy Wink

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Pratchet · 17/04/2018 16:42

Even if, though, you can't give one side the absolute ability to close debate by refusing to take part. You can just say 'we reached out for comment' or 'we invited them to respond''we asked them to come and defend the policy etc etc and that does the job. (Should do) but bbc is terrified of trans lobby I think.

Juells · 17/04/2018 14:04

I googled Girl Guides in the News tab and it was the second item down.

OlennasWimple · 17/04/2018 13:46

Doesn't the BBC's charter mean that it has to present everything as nice and balanced, but other news outlets aren't under the same obligations?

OldCrone · 17/04/2018 13:20

IamSpartacusAgain
Try "girl guides transgender" in all results (not news) and set time to past week. I get the letter in the Times as the first result.

IamSpartacusAgain · 17/04/2018 13:06

I might be super paranoid but I just went to google "girl guides" in google news to see if papers had reported the resignation and there were no relevant news stories at all showing for a good few weeks. Which surprised me as I expected the open letter to be there.

I then tried girl guides trans and girl guides transgender and only a couple of old stories from last month in the right wring press. I can't find the open letter story in the papers anywhere.

Is this because it was behind a paywall or a letter rather an article? Am I just failing at google? I mean it was printed right!

Callmejudith · 17/04/2018 12:58

JHB is definitely on the peak of the hill!

BeUpStanding · 17/04/2018 12:55

@Popchyk - I can see it now, and I'm blown away by the narcicism. Trying to extort money with menaces, and shamelessly begging, all dressed up as victimhood and oppression. I'm trying to thing of something comparable and can't.

To be clear I know this is a small minority of trans activists doing this, and I'm sure many trans people are equally horrified at this behaviour.

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Melamin · 17/04/2018 12:51

Strange moment to announce it Confused

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LangCleg · 17/04/2018 12:39

In June our Chief Executive @JulieBentley will be stepping down to become the chief executive at @ActnForChildren.

It's like a bloody merry-go-round. All our charities and volunteer orgs have been taken over by a tiny cadre of people who can't even see their service users, let alone formulate policies to benefit them. I swear, they're destroying anything good everywhere they land.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 17/04/2018 12:30

Great radio piece. I have written to Girl Guides as a result.

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 17/04/2018 12:30

Just announced
In June our Chief Executive @JulieBentley will be stepping down to become the chief executive at @ActnForChildren. Julie's been a passionate champion for our girls and volunteers - we wish her all the best in her new role! www.girlguiding.org.uk/what-we-do/our-stories-and-news/news/farewell-to-chief-executive-julie-bentley/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=julieannouncement …

Popchyk · 17/04/2018 12:29

"Create an ideology; insult, threaten and defame anyone who refuses to agree with you; then suggest they pay you to 'educate' them on what they need to do to stop you threatening & insulting them. Wow."

That is exactly what they are doing.

I did have a look at the social media accounts of some of the loudest TRAS a while back. They often sticky their Paypal details so that you can transfer cash to them direct. Or they tweet some sob story and then some sap will ask for their Paypal details. Or they will be direct: "I really hate to do this, guys, but I need food" and then include their Paypal details (in their dead names usually).

Look at all the gofundme's these people set up supposedly for surgery or taxis.

It is quite the "industry". And they all want a part of it.

Like the California gold rush.

RoundaboutSnail · 17/04/2018 12:12

And thanks DJLippy for the link Smile

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RoundaboutSnail · 17/04/2018 11:57

Thanks Melamin Smile

BeUpStanding · 17/04/2018 11:52

OMG @Popchyk! That's it! You're so right... I saw a tweet yesterday from someone suggesting JHB should pay Guilina (the prolific TA tweeter with a flowerheadress) for the time Guilina was kindly spending educating JHB on transgenderism. At the time I was completely bewildered as to how on earth that thought could cross anyone's mind but I get it now! Wow. That's quite genius.... Create an ideology; insult, threaten and defame anyone who refuses to agree with you; then suggest they pay you to 'educate' them on what they need to do to stop you threatening & insulting them. Wow.

nemno · 17/04/2018 11:33

That last line is me of course!

nemno · 17/04/2018 11:32

JHB tweeted this about IW and a TRA tweet (below)
Julia Hartley-Brewer
‏Verified account @JuliaHB1
4m4 minutes ago

Julia Hartley-Brewer Retweeted India Willoughby

And this is what happens to anyone who dares to question what this tiny minority of militant transgender activists is doing. Unless you agree with every word they say & give in to their demands, you are transphobic. Rdiculous & very damaging to transgender people.

@IndiaWilloughby

India Willoughby Retweeted Giuliana

I sense @JuliaHB1 sees trans people as crackpots. Definitely not women. Her first words to me yesterday ((pre-show) were “What are you guys upset about?” She knows the nuance of the word. The stuff on @MumsnetTowers is disgusting. Maybe the police will take action for hate speech

Giuliana
‏ @Giuliana_London

@JuliaHB1 @asknic @talkradio #forallgirls

So, Julia Hartley-Brewer, it appears you want to vomit your despicable transphobic comments all over the airwaves without comment.

To say that no transphobia on mumsnet is perverse. I and others supplied you with countless examples.

JHB can take abuse but so many women are not in a position to do so.