Parliament hosting Stonewall panel event on trans issues and changes to GRA

We will also be sharing findings from a piece of research Stonewall has produced

Unless this is vastly different from Stonewalls previous "research" this will be their interpretation of data collected using less than rigourous methods, without any context of methodology or raw data.

I really wish someone would step up and do some proper robust research in this area.

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Did you mean a petition like this one petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118 jaxhog, or something else?

I thought that mp’s had already consulted trans people hence a part of the petition calling for both sides to be consulted

I'd send in Julia Hartley Brewer.
She was great this morning

It seems the only way to get included is to declare yourself as a man, then declare yourself to be a transwoman. Which shows you how ridiculous it all is.

Would someone like to start a petition? Or draft a suitable letter to send to our MPs?

Also RedToothbrush as a family member

I suggest MN send half a dozen representatives.

One for transsexuals
Amy for the petition and #ManFriday
The woman who organised Girl Guides campaign
The woman who organised #sexMatters
Beyond for disabled women
Datun
A parent of a gender non conforming child

Good idea Jaycee

I wonder if we could get an MP to do a web chat on MN about this?

The problem here is that MPs will be tripping over each over to attend this to show how progressive they are.

I think it’s important to emphasise that Parliament is absolutely the place for discussion and that debate, including all parties, is what we want.

Any demonstration or protest, I feel, may allow trans-activists to accuse women of trying to shut them down.

What we want is to be included in the debate and not sidelined.

On the plus side, they can hardly complain about the Womans Place HofC meeting while endorsing this one.

Yetanother, do you think that we should come up with something to send for this meeting to digest off list?

There are one or two other sensible trans women on here (plus some just reading and not posting out of fear from what activists might say to them if they do I suspect).

If we sent a joint submission even from a dozen or so of us to that meeting and point out that these concerns are not only being shared by many women on here but also by a number of transsexual women who have been through the GRA process, too - then perhaps it gives them something else to think about when they meet in May?

I think it would be worth tweeting Woman's Place UK - they've been trying to get time with any MP & so far they've had 1hr with Dawn Butler. I think it's important for representation for women & girls to attend a meeting that's appears to suggest multiple MPs in attendance so they should be involved.

One sided presentation is not going to resolve this.

All about transwomen, few trans men and no women is my guess.

Sigh, this just makes me want to get back in activism again and redoubled my efforts. Own goal Maria.

What about women and girls?

Debate has two sides.

Let’s hear how women's only services are inclusive. Let's hear how they make it work?
Let’s hear how they segregate on sex or are genitalia irrelevant in a refuge or rape crisis centre?
Let's hear what their plans are for malicious people trying to abuse the system. Do they have a financial contingency funds available for the legal fees or will they just cave.
Stonewall seem to know everything so let's ask?
Let's hear about gender fluid men or two spirit men being women one day and not the next and how that means I have no right to consent on any day at all to their presence in private female spaces.
Let’s hear why that’s is a legal requirement I have no choice over?
What myths do we hear like suicide, murder and “it never happens”, let's ask MPs to go along with these myths for busting.
What about the myth that a penis is female and a vagina is male?

I'm keen to know. Let's hear please?

Let hear how self ID supports my right to consent.

Its a bad mistake to ignore women in this debate about women really. The hostility would only get worse, not better. Women are needed as allies, not enemies.

If Maria Miller is hosting this then she sure as hell needs to be hosting another event where women's concerns are addressed.

And all MPs must be invited to that one too.

We will also be sharing findings from a piece of research Stonewall has produced with women’s organisations, which demonstrates that many single-sex domestic and/or sexual violence services are already trans inclusive.

Yes, because the leaders of these organisations have lost sight of their service users, just as Guides have lost sight of theirs, Swim England have lost sight of theirs, etc ad infinitum.

WAWAG?

Sorry for acronym - I mean When They Go Low, We Go High. (just seen other thread)

Yep - definitely time to write to your MP - again....

Can we have a peaceful gathering outside Speaker’s House where we give out leaflets with real facts on? I would be up for that.
#WTGLWGH