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THIS is why i don't support womens rights

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Wilhamenawonka · 15/04/2018 20:32

Deliberately goady thread title there but it's true and please be gentle because I'm in tears writing this.

I'm weak. So fucking weak.
It's not that I don't believe in everything that you talk about here. I'm a true convert and my contribution Is to try and bring my kids up to value themselves and each other and to see the inequalities and barriersthat are there.

But as for anything else i just can't. Simply writing this is causing me panic.

I was brought up by the most misogynistic man you can imagine. Jokes about domestic abuse, women/men are just like that, aggressive, you name it.
You didn't argue. It simply wasn't worth it.

I had value because i earned well. Now i don't and am a single mum and the disappointment is openly strong.

He's sick of feminists complaining and never doing anything.
He thinks that equality of sexes at work is wrong because it should just be the right person for the job.
His mother held the purse strings so financial abuse isn't really a thing.
Women abuse men too dontcha know. His mates were taken for everything in the divorce.
And when he can't ignore something any longer his answer is that he lives in a bubble and isn't part of the world any more, in other words he doesn't want to talk about it.
And on and on and on and on.
Relentlessly and forever.

After i told him about some horrendous stuff my friends had gone through he kept on making jokes about domestic abuse
(one friend had her head kicked in).

But last week, when i had told him that every woman i know has been assaulted, his answer was to say 'are you accusing me of abusing your mother?' (Said in his slow burning angry voice)
THAT was his response. All about him. All about him feeling atracked. Changing the narrative. Avoiding. Being aggressive.

I ended up screaming that every woman i know includes his own fucking daughter (me). And he finally listened. But for me it was too late.

But it's too hard. I've spent my whole life trying not to draw his disapproval because it's scary as fuck. I grew up with it. It's in my dna.

And I'm not the only one. You guys are so brave but this is a massive barrier feminism has too get through. Its not just internalized misogyny you have to fight but womens fear of drawing the wrath of the men they know.
What you're doing is SO important.

I'm too scared to even post a feminist type thing on fb on case he sees it. It's so deeply ingrained and i don't know if I'll every be free of the fear.

I won't be the only one.
And like i said THAT'S why l don't (openly) support you.
I'm sorry.

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Greymisty · 15/04/2018 20:43

OP your a single mum raising her kids well, to be loving, brave, confident and pay attention to injustice. How is that weak?

None of this read as a weak women.

Wilhamenawonka · 15/04/2018 20:41

That was a click baity title.

I'm scared of openly speaking up about all the important issues we face as women.

Trying to make the point that i won't be the only one and I'm not sure how we can fight that fear.
You only have to see how scared people are of supporting the gender critical stuff tp see how afraid women are.

I guess I'm saying that for some women the fear goes deeper and much more fundamental than that

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Badgerthebodger · 15/04/2018 20:38

Terfsup perhaps that wasn’t the kindest response. OP it sounds like you’ve had a very hard time of it, fear is often used as a tactic to keep women in their place. I hope you can find a way to distance yourself from someone so deliberately hurtful Flowers

Wilhamenawonka · 15/04/2018 20:38

Which bit don't you believe anyway?
That i grew up with a misogynist?
That i grew up afraid of disapproval?
That someone can say the unpleasant things he's said?
That I'm scared of speaking up?

Seriously. What in there is so hard to believe?

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TheLongHotSummer · 15/04/2018 20:37

I don't understand why you don't support women's rights, though??

Spindelina · 15/04/2018 20:36

Flowers Thank you for writing here.

Wilhamenawonka · 15/04/2018 20:35

Its true terf.
Its taken a week to write this.
Fear Is a huge barrier to prone being able to speak hip

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BoreOfWhabylon · 15/04/2018 20:34
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TerfsUp · 15/04/2018 20:33

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