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Let's start a Mumsnet Counter Boycot

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DJLippy · 15/04/2018 02:03

I was just reading about TRA's contacting mumsnets advertisers, threatening a boycott. I also heard about the impact of complaints on the Women's Place meeting in Cardiff that was subsequently canceled. Apparently the Jam Jar Facebook page, where the "We Need to Talk Bristol" event is being held next week has been deluged with bad reviews by TRA's. 1* ratings on social media can can destroy a business. That's not right.

Let's organise counter demonstrations. Write to mumsnets advertisers. Give 5* reviews to venues hosting gender critical events. Let people know that we care about these things.

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LightofaSilveryMoon · 15/04/2018 21:58

Am taking on board the positive advice given on this thread and have turned off adblocker for Mumsnet. Shall click through to anything that interests me, etc.
Have so, so much appreciation for the FWR board in particular.

kn23 · 15/04/2018 21:53

Some trans activitists are mums and change nappies.

DJLippy · 15/04/2018 20:58

If you want to support venues hosting gender critical events here is a link for the Jam Jar in Bristol hosting the We Need to Talk About Kevin event in Brighton this Thursday

Positive reviews and messages of support much appreciated I'm sure

www.thejamjarbristol.com/
www.facebook.com/TheJamJarBristol/

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TerfsUp · 15/04/2018 19:33

Time for me to post my usual diatribe against The Guardian. It is a rag whose fiery flaming financial death cannot come quickly enough.

Hypermice · 15/04/2018 19:22

I’m disgusted by the guardian these days. It’s the left wing daily mail. The comments are a cesspit. There are a few great journos left on there - it’s a shame their fantastic investigative journalism has to share a space with the apologist tosh they publish.
The Times is a little right of what I consider my core politics to be, but the quality of the writing is excellent and the general tone is more of critical thinking rather than the strange ‘we must rank all victims’ shit the graun have going on. It just seems a more mature outlook.

This whole issue is actually making me rethink those core politics. I’m still left in the sense of wanting a fair society but the way labour have dealt with the TRA pressure has made me think carefully about how the left exerts social pressure and polices thought as well - I’m sure there’s a whole set of correct terms to express what I mean but I’m a mere scientist rather than a political type.

Anyway, I suppose one should always be questioning ones stance on issues and willing to change ones mind, and I certainly have had a seachange in political thinking triggered by this whole affair.

rowdywoman1 · 15/04/2018 19:06

That's a great approach hypermice Having removed my ad blocker for Mumsnet today I will also look at clicking through from here.

I have now had a Times account for over 6 months and don't regret it at all. It's not the right wing cesspit that I thought it might be - and even the many older right wing posters below the line are (generally) less aggressive and hostile that I saw on the Guardian. And if you wander about the site there are some really lovely articles with heartwarming posts underneath. I don't regret cancelling my Guardian subscription for a split second.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 15/04/2018 19:04

I will be using a generally positive approach - I’ve removed adblocker from this site and if I do buy anything from sites that I’ve seen advertised here I will make sure I do it via a click through

I will have a go but if it makes use of the site unsusable then im turning it back on

However, if I become aware of a company or group who have actively removed advertising from MN over this issue I will be boycotting them, I will be writing to them to explain why and I will be mentioning why I do not buy from them any more to anyone who asks.

Deffo

Hypermice · 15/04/2018 18:58

I will be using a generally positive approach - I’ve removed adblocker from this site and if I do buy anything from sites that I’ve seen advertised here I will make sure I do it via a click through.

However, if I become aware of a company or group who have actively removed advertising from MN over this issue I will be boycotting them, I will be writing to them to explain why and I will be mentioning why I do not buy from them any more to anyone who asks.

I have already set up a subscription to Private Eye, which id fancied for a while but their recent GC cartoons have made that decision easy. I’m also considering an online subscription to the times. I ditched my guardian subscription a few years ago over their misogyny and victim laddering and I’m no longer a labour party member.

I won’t one star review or abuse anyone or anything like that but I will vote with my purse and I will let them know why, plus I will proactively support companies that do advertise here.

I feel that’s a balanced approach.

DJLippy · 15/04/2018 18:03

Yes Boycott not the best choice of words, couldn't think how to word it, (counter-boycott/lovebomb?) that's what happens when you start threads at 4am!

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 15/04/2018 16:45

if you decide with withdraw your business tell them and what - same for if you actively support a business - either way tell them and why

Freshlylaidterf · 15/04/2018 16:04

Let's go positive affirmation - WTGLWGH
Agreed. I would much rather do this than boycott. I seem to be boycotting a number of my previously favoured shops as it is!

AnitaLovesVictor · 15/04/2018 15:17

I've just posted this on the Justine thread:

"I will also positively endorse all the sponsors that stick with Mumsnet too. Mumsnetters have considerable spending power - let's use it positively rather than talking about boycotts."

Let's go positive affirmation - WTGLWGH Smile

Chaosandchocolate · 15/04/2018 13:26

Internet idiot.... The ads I see are based on my browsing/purchasing - not sponsors. Where do i see Mumsnet ads?

Currently a cheapie trainers website mandm and an ad for "The Week" and Trainline....all websites I've been using rather than MN?

rememberthetime · 15/04/2018 13:01

The best way to support mn is to click on the ads. Even if you don't buy. The analytics will show where each click comes from and will indicate to the advertiser that mn is boosting their website views significantly. Of course they will also see what percentage of those clicks lead to sales but inevitably more website visits lead to increased profit.
The important thing is that the advertiser will see exactly where the increased traffic is generated and will increase their advertising spend accordingly.

SianRunner · 15/04/2018 12:53

I'm happy to support the sponsors of MN, too, e.g. Lidl (recipes section).

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/04/2018 12:29

Interested to know who makes the decisions in your house...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3222738-To-ask-who-makes-the-purchasing-decisions-in-your-household?watched=1&msgid=77136558#77136558

UpstartCrow · 15/04/2018 12:16

I'll turned off my adblockers for MN. If it helps then I will click through on some of the links.

Beyond11cisRetinol · 15/04/2018 12:12

Lots of adblockers have been turned off today Grin

I generally ignore ads (though I buy a lot of things through mn recommendations), but I pledge to click through and buy from at least one mn ad this week!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/04/2018 12:05

Well I turned my adblocker off for mumsnet today. And many others have said they did the same.

I will support mumsnet advertisers.

I will not buy from any company that threatens another company, especially where it stifles freedom of speech.

I make 99.9% of the purchases and the purchasing decisions for my household, with the exception of my husband's clothing.

Pissing off women or telling them to shut the fuck up is not very sensible

KittTheCar · 15/04/2018 11:58

Oh lol I'd have to switch my adblocker off! That's why I dont' notice them Grin

KittTheCar · 15/04/2018 11:57

Usually ignore ads will have a bit of a look!

sorenipples · 15/04/2018 11:54

Like other posters I would prefer a positive action. Also thinking pragmatically if advertisers experience a negative impact by withdrawing from mumsnet that is likely to discourage new advertisers. We want to support mumsnet so need to think carefully about the impact of our actions.

Ultimately the power of the "TRA" lobby is their belief we are on the wrong side of history and that there is strong public opinion against allowing our debate. So perhaps the most effective solution is to talk openly in real life and explain the concern is ensuring current sex based provisions are not eroded.

As an aside I think it is a shame that the only forum within mumsnet is FWR because in this context everything comes down to WAWAG whereas in a more general forum other concerns would sit more easily and then maybe mumsnet would seem less like an echo chamber.

Elendon · 15/04/2018 11:23

That's a great idea SianRunner

I would like to know the companies who ignored this and then support them.

Positive action means positive results.

SianRunner · 15/04/2018 10:57

Are there any advertisers in particular who are worth contacting and praising for sticking with Mumsnet and free speech?

Badgerthebodger · 15/04/2018 10:49

I am really really pleased that advertisers continue to support MN but I cannot say I will spend more in Missguided on their Barbie range which for some reason seems to be the only advert I get Grin Not sure I’d even get one toe into anything they sell, but brava for supporting MN!