Justine stands up for FWR in The Times

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thankyou Justine

I tried to post a thankyou comment on the times but it is still pending 2 hours later (didn’t say anything controversial I don’t think!). Comments on other articles have been immediately posted.

Thank you, Mumsnet and Justine.

And good post, RosenbergW, just above!

Thank you mumsnet. I am so relieved to read this

I echo the thanks to Justine & everyone at MN for this discussion space. So we don't know who the 3 advertisers are? However, I'm sure Justine & colleagues must have highlighted to them our spending power vs your typical TRA's. If we do find out, let's make our feelings known to them - politely of course. I think I may do so anyway to my banks & other main beneficiaries of my spending anyway.

To keep this open, I would be happy to donate anyway if there should be a revenue shortfall.

Trans activists can make a big noise on social media and by phone because it's easy for them to sock puppet multiple personalities, and because its a goldfish bowl where a snappy twitter lie can get lots of trigger happy virtue signalling likes and retweets, instantly made and instantly forgotten.

In contrast, out in the real world the people are real and we are having real conversations, people don't just click like and move on! We talk to each other and make decisions and we volunteer and work, raise our children and maintain our households. Our influence is big and it is solid and meaningful, it doesn't disappear off a screen after a quick skim read.

It's time all politicians and organisation leaders realise that embracing the virtual over the real commits them to an empty meaninglessness that there will be real and lasting consequences for.

Marks and Spencers.
Lush.
Top Shop.
Primark.
Mercure.
The Guardian.

All vacuously signalling they don't respect or care about women's rights, safety, or our business.

Who else?

Thank you Justine

Thank you so very much for this Justine and everyone at Mumsnet.

I was at the Cardiff meeting they tried so hard to shut down. They failed there and they can't silence free speech on mumsnet either. I have been thinking how hard it must be for you all to stand firm in the face of a barrage of threats and intimidation, I really appreciate you efforts.

Thank you so much @JustineMumsnet

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This is really refreshing. I have never had any truck with this being about taking away anyone else's rights (show me the third spaces for dignity barricade and I'm on it!) but I can have the term 'woman' expanded to be unrecognisable. Thanks to MN for keeping this reasoned, fair, and open.
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Our M&S boycott is only in the clothing department, for safety reasons

M&S have always let transwomen in to their clothing department.

Has anything changed?

Thank you Justine.

Any advertiser who withdraws their advertising from Mumsnet is nailing their colours firmly to the mast as anti women and anti free speech. Not beacons if equality and diversity and progress, as they might think. They need to be called out as such if they stop advertising with Mumsnet and I’ll happily help to do so and to coordinate a mass boycott.

It’s basic business sense if you’re an advertiser. Who would you rather piss off? 12m women? Or a small but extremely loud group of baying transactivists and their immature handmaiden followers and lefty male virtue signalling supporters, half of whom are very young with little spending power anyway?

Thank you Justine

I’ll never moan about the adverts again!
I’ll be thankful they’ve got the balls to not give in to bullies.

Our M&S boycott is only in the clothing department, for safety reasons. We still go to the foodhall. I will stop the foodhall also if M&S further support men over women by bullying advertisements here.

I would write in support of MN if I knew the three advertisers.

So, so delighted to read this article this morning. Want to add my thank you to all the rest.

Women are entitled to discuss legislative and social changes that affect them. The fact that Mumsnet is prepared to hold her ground in the face of huge pressure and intimidation fills me with hope.

Thank you Justine, I will never use ad blocker on mumsnet and will boycott any advertiser that pulls out over this issue. I will try to actively support companies that do advertise here.

The significant minority will probably be because they will be using provable stats - so they have to go off unique users of FWR because you can't count lurkers.

Nice one Justine!
I was threatened this week via my business about my GC views and had spoken to MNHQ about getting my account deleted but this makes me feel like I shouldn’t back down.

Also thanks @Justine

However, surely we're more than a "significant minority"?

But, by the by in the grand scheme of things. Free speech MUST be protected and I will also willingly boycott any company who withdraws.

Thank you also to the Feminist boards for persisting. I happily admit that I was ignorant of the true meaning of self ID and would have defaulted to a "Meh, live and let live stance" had it not been for these threads.

Now I've signed the petition, follow progress on Twitter and try and educate most people I come in contact with now I've ran out of family and friends

Thank you JustineMumsnet

Thanks Justine.