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Justine stands up for FWR in The Times

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SwearyG · 15/04/2018 00:21

Justine is quoted in The Times today saying that TRAs are pressuring advertisers to withdraw from the site but they’re willing to take the hit to keep the discussion open. It’s very heartening after the threads of the last few days re FWR being hidden and the worries about this space being censored.

Flowers to @JustineMumsnet - thank you.

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Catsrus · 15/04/2018 16:03

And thanks from me too GinThanks

lattewith3shotsplease · 15/04/2018 15:53

Another thanks from me Flowers Wine

GoldenBuns · 15/04/2018 15:33

Long time lurker here. Have been following the debate closely. Thank you Mumsnet for allowing freedom of speech - you are truly wonderful.

Bookrat · 15/04/2018 15:23

I only recently became aware of the implications of self-id for women and girls. As I searched for information references to mumsnet kept cropping up - citing mumsnet as a platform for respectful and uncensored discussion.

Mumsnet was new to me and the experience has been eye-opening in all sorts of ways. Respectful and uncensored, yes, but also articulate (a rarity online) and a great help in clarifying my own position - always gender critical but largely undefinable while I lacked confidence and vocabulary.

This is to say thank you to all the mumsnetters who have patiently explained the implications of the proposed self-id legislation on multiple occasions. It is a great help to newbies like me. And thank you, of course, to MNHQ who make this possible. Flowers

boatyardblues · 15/04/2018 15:16

Thank you so much for your principled stand, Justine & MNHQ. The removal of FWR from Active threads earlier this week had really saddened me and made me question my ongoing relationship with MN, so I am very pleased to hear you are reinstating FWR in Active threads.

AnitaLovesVictor · 15/04/2018 15:12

Judging by the AIBU thread's responses - i would say it's more than a "significant minority of feminists" too Smile

AnitaLovesVictor · 15/04/2018 15:11

There's a fair bit of fury on the twitter timeline - seems these transactivists don't like being told NO by a woman - but many many positive comments too.

I'm so impressed by Justine's stand. I will honour it by honouring WTGLWGH.

I will also positively endorse all the sponsors that stick with Mumsnet too. Mumsnetters have considerable spending power - let's use it positively rather than talking about boycotts.

OohMavis · 15/04/2018 14:48

Came straight here after reading the article with a massive grin on my face.

Well done MNHQ, you really are wonderful Flowers

ApplesinmyPocket · 15/04/2018 14:34

I was feeling quite depressed yesterday. Saw this news in the middle of the night - today I feel buoyant.

Thank you so much Justine, and MNHQ. It means a lot that in the face of everything going on, you've stood firm for WOMEN.

Flowers
SwearyG · 15/04/2018 14:31

Mumsnet is getting a bit of a pasting on twitter from the TRA usual suspects. Can we all post why we #lovemumsnet - whether it's generic or a personal anecdote and get a whole load of love going?

I was so ill a few years ago and MN meant I could interact with the world when I couldn't leave the house and the bright, wonderful women on here kept challenging what my crazy brain was telling me and literally kept me alive. I'm not the only woman still here because of MN (I remember the woman with the "heavy period" that turned out to be sepsis). Let's celebrate the good!

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dorothyparka · 15/04/2018 14:27

Thank you MNHQFlowers

OlennasWimple · 15/04/2018 14:21

This is brilliant news, thank you Justine, Dawn and all the mighty women of MN

Ekphrasis · 15/04/2018 14:08

Thank you Justine ThanksCakeGinWineWineWine

And great cartoon @SandyDrawsBadly!

(Which steam mop is it mentioned on the Sandy Twitter thread; I really need one...)

pepperminttaste · 15/04/2018 14:06

Thank you Justine and mn! Thank you, thank you, thank you.

And we can add the SNP to the boycott list!

BabyItsAWildWorld · 15/04/2018 14:01

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 15/04/2018 14:00

I basically don't buy anything any more without first checking what mumsnetters think of it.

Will also withdraw my custom from any company who withdraws advertising from mumsnet over this issue.

HairyBallTheorem · 15/04/2018 13:54

Thank you Justine and Mumsnet.

And for any advertisers following this thread, I'm another one who checks out review threads here for suggestions on products, and I'm another one who will boycott any firm attempting to silence women's voices.

Merchfach · 15/04/2018 13:41

I have signed up in the last few weeks just to support this issue.

All thanks to Justine and the MS team for enabling and continuing to support the debate. Dread to think how much more difficult the fightback would have been without you.

Tell me which advertisers have stood firm in the face of TRA attempts to get them to withdraw and I will support them and tell everyone I know why. Women have money and women do pay attention to the ethicals of the companies they purchase from. Any company revealed as having boycotted Mumsnet over this issue had better watch out!

TurningWood · 15/04/2018 13:40

We are all in danger of bending to the TRA right-wing ideology of loving capitalism. I am not buying any more than I need as an answer to bullying by a group of toddler men.

cornflakegirl · 15/04/2018 13:40

Thank you Justine.

Noqonterf · 15/04/2018 13:17

Thanks mumsnet. You are the best ♥️

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/04/2018 12:40

SandyDrawsBadly to @MNHQ

twitter.com/smanningsw/status/985468474045722625

drinkswineoutofamug · 15/04/2018 12:35

Thank you Justine 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻
Some brilliant replies on twitter regarding this

Winewinewinegin · 15/04/2018 12:23

Another way of mumsnetters showing tangible support would be to click on adverts of interest when visiting this board (and mumsnet in general).

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/04/2018 12:22

From the Times Article:

"Justine Roberts said she had been approached by three significant advertisers who had been threatened by trans groups.

“Transgender activists have contacted Mumsnet advertisers and said they will be organising a boycott of their products if they don’t remove their advertising from Mumsnet,” Roberts said."

Justine - perhaps you could tell these advertisers that if they wish to go public about this, they will be find that many grateful women will support their not bowing to demands to stifle the free speech of women.

Also, these Trans Groups should have their feet held to the fire for this sort of bullying