Cis as a slur

Was just talking to 19 year old ds1, 16 year old dd and 14 year old ds2 about this

And then i said its like the history books are written by...

And ds2 jumped in with 'the victors' and i said exactly 'white men' and then i said 'well its like women aren't usually ceredited with inventing stuff' and all three chipped in with loads of womens inventions

Quite chuffed with them

Go for it flowers.

How can sexists be defining sexism, what a laarf. That is the definition of mansplaining.

I do not mean to discourage. I simply men to prepare you for the fight.
Take lots and lots of other women with you is my advice and be prepared to stick it out till they stop harassing you.

That's a shocking article about Wiki.

some Dutch courage for you flowers!

Jeez - I am still willing to give it a go. I shall await my status as a feminazi. I've never been one of those before...

The wiki peeps constantly try to encourage women to join.
You end up arguing constantly with men over everything you add or correct.
Misogynist MRAs colonized Wikipedia years ago and police the Feminist pages, sex and gender pages, relentlessly.
I lasted about three months before I decided I no longer cared about an org that had become so biased it could no longer even be used for the most basic biography info.

Well, if some women embrace the term they're welcome to use it to describe themselves. Meanwhile, the rest of us are free to reject it.

Having done so, we've requested that it not be used here. Have you seen those requests, crispbutty, and do you intend to start honoring them?

There is a massive issue around sexism, harrasment and sex bias on Wikipedia:

www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/

More women editors is a great idea, but you may have to be prepared for tactics as outlined in the above article.

Obviously if someone else already knows what they're doing and can do it sooner, please do!

I am going to figure out how to edit it, but won't be able to focus on it for a couple of days. If anyone can point me to relevant feminist literature stating clearly why transwomen are not actually women, or can suggest another feminist MN user likely to know, it would be much appreciated. I can't let that stand unchallenged!

I think so!

Sorry 9 per cent globally (2011). And yes that's part of the reason. Pesky female socialisation!

hbr.org/2016/06/why-do-so-few-women-edit-wikipedia

I dunno, I'm not one of the 5%, just looking at it now....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing#How_do_I_edit_a_page?

Isn’t that interesting, do you think it’s because women are less likely to think themselves experts?

How do you edit Wikipedia?

Only 5% wiki editors are female.

Interesting. Check out the history of that page:

The wiki entry had that line removed yesterday, with the comment:

"With no citation or definition talks about people of the male sex, who are, according to any objective and biological definition, and also common speech, men, being women. No citation. Furthermore, refers to 'intersex and transgender conditions'. These are not comprable. Intersex people have conditions affecting normal sexual development, trans-identified males are sexually normal men who 'feel they are women'. There is no evidence for gender identity. Keep ideology out of encyclopaedias.)"

6 minutes later it was restored. So the TRAs are all over this.

We are literally watching an Orwellian 1984 unfold in front of our eyes.

Presumably the wiki could be edited along the lines of adding after the gender definintion something along the lines of 'although this is strongly disputed by certain feminist thinkers' with links to Jermaine Greer, or whoever else is authoritative on this. Any suggestions for good citations?

@Yambabe Just started another thread about the definition of woman on wiki now including gender en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman
I know wiki isn’t exactly an authoritative source, but this is winding me up now...

I do not need or want a prefix to define my gender. I am a woman, I have a female reproductive system and XX chromosome. If I had XY chromosome and male reproductive system, I would be a man. Sorry to be so blunt but it really is that simple.

Also if we come up with a compromise we are agreeing that gender is innate even if we come up with another word their ideology still floats to the top.
I do not believe in an innate gender identity, gender is not an axis of oppression gender IS the oppression.
I have a sex, a gender which is inflicted upon me and a personality.

I am a woman. The end.

Disturbinglyorange you're not everyone's mother though, you're allowed to speak to other adults as an equal. It's fine to be assertive, polite and firm and to say exactly what you mean in a direct manner without pussyfooting around the subject.