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If WEP decided Sex Matters would you join?

197 replies

womanhuman · 09/04/2018 11:50

By which I mean continued protection of women/girl-only spaces (physical spaces, services, organisations, stats, programmes) on a sex-not-gender basis.

I would.

Because nearly everything else follows from maintaining that distinction.

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MumOfThrMoos · 09/04/2018 12:29

Yes, I would.

I have left the Lib Dems over their stance on Self ID.

When WEP first started I was very tempted but decided to watch and wait - I was quite disappointed by their silence over Brexit, which to my mind has far reaching implications for women - although it might be just that I didn't hear rather then they weren't talking about it.

I have found their approach thus far to self ID extraordinary.

But I have been watching Sophie on Twitter this last week or so with interest.

CockOffPostmanPat · 09/04/2018 12:27

Yes, I would. But I wouldn't hesitate to leave if they changed their stance!

RogerAllamsFangirl · 09/04/2018 12:26

I think I would

Popchyk · 09/04/2018 12:25

Honestly? I think they've shown very poor judgement from the outset, which doesn't give me loads of confidence that any U-turn on policy would be permanent. Or that they'd be capable of translating that policy into practical changes for the benefit of women.

I'd wait a bit and see how they conduct themselves.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 09/04/2018 12:23

I am already a lifetime founder member.

I've hung on because I was sat between Heather and Sophie in the recent meeting in London, and I believed from that convo that Sophie is now listening.

malaguena · 09/04/2018 12:23

I would seriously consider it too.

CapnCabinet · 09/04/2018 12:22

Yes.

I've struggled with my conscience on this, but come this round of local elections I will be spoiling my ballot with a female sex sign. I've always voted Lib Dem but now there is no party to represent me.

YimminiYoudar · 09/04/2018 12:20

Yes I would. I've been put off joining WEP for various reasons which would pale into insignificance if they adopted a policy that acknowledged that sometimes the needs of women and the desires of transwomen will clash and when that happens it's OK to not throw women under the bus.

I expect the party has plenty of TIM members now to ensure that this never happens though.

2rebecca · 09/04/2018 12:19

And sport of course

Strigiformes · 09/04/2018 12:18

Yes, I would.

2rebecca · 09/04/2018 12:18

Probably not, although a feminist I've never been inclined to join the women's sections in either party I was a member of. Most of the issues I'm concerned with affect both men and women. I also think you can influence men's opinions on things more by discussing stuff with them rather than campaigning against them. I'm not a fan of segregation in general (Catholic/ Protestant/Muslim : white/black/asian)
I support sex segregated stuff where you need it for biological functions or safety otherwise I think it fosters a them and us mentality.

Terftastic · 09/04/2018 12:17

Yes, I would. I'm hopeful, actually.

ijustwannadance · 09/04/2018 12:16

*them

ijustwannadance · 09/04/2018 12:15

No. I don't trust the either.

Imherefornow · 09/04/2018 12:15

Quite possibly. I am political. I feel quite bereft that the major political parties refuse to even humour the need for a full and meaningful debate on the proposed changes to the GRA.

I am very impressed with sophies assurance that they will engage with the issue and her evident support of the nordic model.

Sure, it was late in coming but I admire her integrity. I hope that this integrity is reflected in their wider policies...

And though there are no candidates in my constituency, if this level of engagement continues, I would be keen to offer my support.

NotTerfNorCis · 09/04/2018 12:13

If they were genuinely gender critical then yes. It's a very important issue.

MolliewithOllie · 09/04/2018 12:12

No - I do not trust them.

loveyouradvice · 09/04/2018 12:12

Yes echo Lang - I know this is the most important issue of my lifetime

And I would like them to review how they have approached Heather BE.... not a deal breaker but it was shocking.....

LarryUnderwood · 09/04/2018 12:11

Yes, agree with LangCleg. Was seriously considering joining until I saw their stance on ts issue so if they changed I probably would join.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 09/04/2018 12:11

What Lang said basically

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 09/04/2018 12:10

Absolutely

TheGoldenBough · 09/04/2018 12:09

Yes. But I would also want a guarantee that their position would not change again

AbsintheFriends · 09/04/2018 12:09

Yes.

UpstartCrow · 09/04/2018 12:08

They would have to apologise to Heather Brunskell Evans.
They would also have to offer a reduced fee for women on low incomes.

Alwayswonderingwhere · 09/04/2018 12:07

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