‘Male rage’ article in Guardian today

Well I for one am glad it has finally been recognised that violence is down to mainly one gender

Let’s no longer pretend it’s down to one sex and acknowledge the truth that violence throughout history has been committed by the female sex who feel they are men

Yes I agree with that. Perhaps they should get rid of them if they can't moderate properly.

For me it's the hypocrisy of the way they deal with comments. Either don't allow them at all, or allow them and police them reasonably along lines of hate speech etc. What they actually do is delete comments that argue against their ideology, criticise points in the articles, and "Guardian Pick" comments that agree. Dissent is becoming less tolerated: if an article is getting consistently slated in the comments, they close the comments. It's blatant censorship along their ideological lines.

And sometimes they don't even know what their ideological lines are. I had a comment removed last week because I criticised an anti-abortion line of an article. Can you imagine that? Calling out anti-abortion in the Guardian and getting modded for it?

So if they don't want comments, fine, we can debate stuff here. But they shouldn't pretend to be a bastion of free speech and criticise others who censor when they're at it all bloody day.

Except it is only left-wing in its imagination.

Exactly! Gas lighting readers on a major scale that anything contained within has anything to do with actual left wing thought (with the tiniest number of honourable exceptions).

Not allowing comments or deleting offensive ones in the Guardian doesn't bother me.

Their tag line is ‘comment is free.’

They should police anything offensive in the extreme but in reality they police anything g that doesn’t fit their ideology, which makes free comment a joke.
The graun comments are a cesspit - angry angry men just bashing away at their keyboards, and Russian bots. It’s like a parallel universe

What I find weird is that anyone who has studied classics would know that this phenomenon has been acknowledged for millennia. There are ancient writings talking about the need to tie young men (age 15 - 30) to either a family or some form of military to give them a sense of purpose and tie them to society because otherwise they become a destructive force. It's why we had national service, and why a number of countries still have bonuses such as a free house upon marriage and further upon the birth of children.

It was, importantly, a way of turning that violent energy to the use of the nation state rather than against it - so just a redirection of energies rather than trying to quell them. After all, if you've got all the angry young men on your side you become quite powerful.

Not allowing comments or deleting offensive ones in the Guardian doesn't bother me. I'd rather they spent money on decent journalists with a variety of news not policing comments. They can publish a couple in the letters page. Debate the articles with friends or online here/ twitter etc

The Guardian has become the left version of the Daily Mail.

I’ve expoused this exact view quite a few times. I actually think it’s worse in some ways due to the hand wringing, blinkered views and total clamp down on any dissent. at least the Mail is aware it’s a rag and likes an argument (my god I’m defending the DM... the shame..)

The graun is a shadow of its previous self - there must be some decent journalists left in the ruins (Hadley freeman, the Cambridge Analytica investigative lot) but overall its a rag. Misogynistic, poorly sub edited and yes, as a pp says, in financial free fall.

It’s a shame because it used to be a brilliant paper with strong investigative and social reporting.

The Guardian really is just a rag nowadays isn’t it?

Yep. It's identity politics writ large with the lunatics running the asylum.

The Guardian cannot die a horrible flaming financial death soon enough.

it is the fact that “ever-growing number of young men” probably does not seem notable to most readers

Err- this is quite incredibly stupid on the authors part.

But why would they delete comments saying “it’s sex, not gender”? It is truly Orwellian.

And of course namalt. But that is used to shut down any discussion of the actual issues.

No idea who your mean heater ton. Your intellect has trumped mine.

I had a similar conversation with a room full of Male academics recently. They were discussing religious extremists and talking about how it was mostly men who carried out terrorist attacks. I mentioned that it was hardly surprising, men are the main perpetrators of violence they just use different reasons for it. Such as religion, football, gang/territorial related whatever, it’s just an excuse for men to be violent.

They all looked at me as this was some kind of revelation, as if it had never occurred to them before. It’s as if they had never connected the dots of all these issues boiling down to male violence. It really struck me as weird, it was quite an uncomfortable conversation, I think they took it quite personally as if I was accusing all of them. I still feel weird thinking about it.

Tempted to comment by post

Ah, the rage. On MN so more often imagined than actually carried out.
TG
(Imagination rules. )

I am seriously trying not to have the rage. Because I am a nice person who likes to give the benefit of the doubt.

Except there is no bloody room for doubt here, is there?

Ah yes gender. All those violent trans men we've heard about.

Oh wait, no.

Absolute bollocks.

Male violence is universal and it is biological. That's the commonality between Muslim extremists and white skinheads. Biology. Men in Papua New Guinea still rape and kill, so do those in Germany, Iran etc

The once great Guardian is a pathetic echo-chamber these days. I actually think they have MORE bias than The Daily Mail!

Yes, and thought it was so bloody obvious!
As bloody usual. Comments closed very very quickly, and lots of deletions.

The Guardian has become the left version of the Daily Mail

Except it is only left-wing in its imagination.

Oh, I get it! People who are inclined to behave that way tend to identify like that!
No?
[slinks back into kitchen]