Dealing with inflammatory posts re Trans on MN

So bad is the shutting down of dissent I have found myself on the team of a teddybear the deploys a carrot.

I think it is important to remember that this is the Feminist chat and Feminists have always been accused of being man haters.
Calling MN transphobic is just the current version of misogyny that has been practiced since before the Suffragettes were immortalized on post cards as women who couldn't get a man.

Can I jump in with another point? yet another transwoman pointed out that people didn't call out transphobic comments, although they did get deleted.

It can be a deliberate choice not to rise to the bad comments of other users. It just draws attention to the problem and gives that person more opportunities to offend. Reporting without comment is much more effective- don't give the oxygen of attention.

And related to that, sometimes we argue with each other over really quite minor differences. If we can ignore the details we differ on, we'll do better at keeping threads on track and easy for lurkers to understand. When we get diverted in challenging each other, and explaining/defending ourselves, it wastes good discussion time, IMO.

I was the culprit on the last thread. I mentioned a politically neutral teddy bear, and posted links to said bear's views. I find the bear funny but factual. The bear reverses the mantra in a manner which is quite powerful and uses common parlance. I do realise that despite this bear representing the view of the majority of men and women worldwide, irreverence is not reverence. I also realise this lack of reverence for a serious issue is potentially counterproductive. I know this is not a laughing matter.

Just a quick "yay" that mumsnet is still here. I know that people would still keep campaigning, there are petitions and sterling work of man Friday et al but we'd miss it if it was gone. I can't think of another organisation still allowing debate as high profile as this site. I would be very poorly informed if I didn't come here.

It's truly amazing I have time to have considered opinions on the nature of gender, and on women's rights, what with all these other hobbies. I can also spin. And knit and weave and crochet.

I know tis a shocker. Men do it to. They have hobbies and find the time to take up more than 70% of all leadership positions worldwide! A - maz - ing.

www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/policy-institute/news/newsrecords/2018/Julia-Gillard-establishes-Global-Institute-for-Women's-Leadership-at-King's-College-London.aspx

Upstart, you can get felting machines that work a bit like sewing machines and look almost identical. They use barbed needles though - regular sewing machine needles wouldn't work in the same way.
I have one, but I'm not convinced it's much faster than needle felting by hand, and changing the barbed needles is a faff. And expensive.

It's truly amazing I have time to have considered opinions on the nature of gender, and on women's rights, what with all these other hobbies. I can also spin. And knit and weave and crochet.

Once there was an MN meet-up - maybe pre-MillionWomenRise, and DD and I made needle-felted badges for everyone who came, based on their MN name.

Needle felting is a v good hobby.

I do however think we need to keep posting about individuals - whether Laurel Hubbard or a young labour guy - but appropriately - it is things like this that make people wake up - these it couldn't possibly happen....

My DS is here, he's come to visit and brought what looks like two months of washing. I'm watching him washing.

We will probably deliveroo dinner, so lazy. I love it.

I'm so lazy I can't be bothered to hate anyone. I'm not too lazy to uphold a woman's place in society and the law, needs must. Life gets you that way.

I'm another one chipping in to say that I appreciate that MNHQ is treading a difficult line, and I value the ability to speak clearly on these matters.

Happy to try to keep the tone of the debate high, though, and not get to name calling. I've only had one post deleted (about Caitlyn Jenner) and want to keep it that way (it was quite a rude post).

And I do think we need to stop posting about a certain high profile young labour activist. It's not a good look to make it so personal. I know why people are doing it, I get the frustration and anger, I really do, but I think we need to let discretion be the better part of valour there.

I got suckered into that then, didn't I?

marge your chores are gender non conforming. Bins is definitely traditional boy job.

we are having shoulder of lamb which has been cooking since 11am. the smell is driving me bonkers.

I'm a crochet-er too LangCleg. Quicker results than knitting somehow.

I'm knitting a jumper at the minute. I'm very glad I'm 5'2" and not 6'2" or it would never be finished. I have a short attention span for the boring bits.

Also has anyone seen the Make! program on BBC? It's great, they've got a real mix of people trying out different crafts.

Actually, I have a confession that might get me thrown off a feminist forum. We've been married nearly 41 years.....and we have 'girl jobs' and 'boy jobs' a la May

It stops a lot of arguments.

(And somehow, putting out the bins and taking stuff to the tip is part of my remit.)

Just finished this thread, will stop replying at all to obvious goady posters I think. The thought of losing MN terrifies me, and transactivists would be over the moon at taking the one place women can talk properly away from them.

I’m making soup for the week if anyone has any nice suggestions/recipes...

Do families still cook a traditional Sunday dinner these days? Now there's just me and DH, I can't be bothered. We're having beef stir-fry this evening.

I can recommend fused glass making if you get a crack at having a go. It requires specialist kit and a kiln, though, so more often done via workshops etc.

I tried knitting once. After all, if my mother could make a whole pair of booties when I was pregnant with my first surely it couldn’t be that difficult.

After 3 rows I gladly handed the entire lot to my mil who made all my children wonderful warm pirate jumpers that were much loved. I now appreciate that my favourite doll bedding growing up - the front, back and one sleeve of a jumper my mother attempted to make my younger brother but never finished - probably took years of work.

I too have been an appreciative lurker. I hope that conversation here continues to give cause to think.

This is why cooking is the only traditionally feminine thing I do, really. When I'm done I can eat the results, so that's the motivation needed to actually do it on a regular basis. Whereas wool makes me itch, so knitting is out.

I love knitting but I’m shit at it and have no need for any knitted stuff.

Felting sounds obscene.

I gingerly looked it up on YouTube, ready to not click.

Imagine my surprise

Dh is getting a microwave meal as we are both too lazy attempting to get shit done before due date.

2D Felting is fun. With rolling pins etc. Personally nothing beats clay for me.

It's surprisingly warm up north at the mo totally jinxed it