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Dealing with inflammatory posts re Trans on MN

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 07/04/2018 17:37

I am concerned to see the message below from MNHQ at the end of the T thread. Regarding posts that I consider "goady", I have a personal policy of not feeding them, not engaging and not rising to the bait. I ignore them. OPs looking for conflict as a way to feed themselves won't get it from me. Firstly, it's exhausting-they are not interested in dialogue, despite what they say, and secondly the best way to deal with them, imo, is to starve them of attention and not rise to the bait. Don't give them what they want i.e. a fight and conflict.

My concern is I predict there will be a lot more new threads and OPs looking for a fight, as the public becomes more aware of the issues and the tide starts to turn against TRAs. They will want to try and get this Place closed down for discussion, and none of us want that to happen.

Personally I have found it empowering to learn how not to engage and to turn it back on them if absolutely necessary, by the use of ridicule and short rebuttals of their nonsense. I am happy to share some techniques if it will help plus learn more from others. There's no point in trying to score points and win all the arguments they make as it's the engagement down their rabbit holes they want - they literally feed off conflict. They're anti-social remember, so any attention is better than none. They want to keep you coming back and arguing, so they can derail, prolong, provoke and generally make life difficult for MNHQ - to force them to take action. The negative attention "turns on" those looking for a fight….so please don't feed them, ignore them and lets keep this place open.

Message for MN:

Hi all

Since this thread is getting near its end, this seems like a good moment to make a really serious point.

We've just made some more deletions on this thread, and we're pretty exasperated tbh - we feel we're running out of ways to say 'please stick within the TGs or risk losing MN as a place to discuss this issue.'

We're really proud of our commitment to free speech, and we put a huge amount of time and resources to enabling this debate to take place - as many of you have pointed out, it's one of the few places left.

To those who haven't yet been able to stop and look at things from our end of the barrel - please understand that you're risking this space for everyone; if you really can't debate civilly with those you disagree with, it might be time to consider that MN is no longer the place for you. We're sorry to have to say this - we don't like it one bit - but tbh nothing else seems to have got through so far: we're at a point of last resort.

Thanks to all those who modify their first instincts and manage to make their points in a calm, considered and civilised manner - even in the face of goadiness. We appreciate it (and so would Michelle.)

Thanks all

MNHQ

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spoonless · 09/04/2018 03:54

I've already reported Sue

For?

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 09/04/2018 02:53

There's a link at the bottom to Stephen Whittle.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 09/04/2018 02:47

Hey Sue, I hope these small hours aren’t keeping you awake like they are for me.
Thanks for the information, as I am sure you are aware a number of posters take issue with some of your statements for various reasons. We’d be happy to discuss them in a calm reasoned manner, if you fancy it? Opposing opinions are healthy and it’s good to hash things out in a robust but respectful debate.
Was there a specific topic you had in mind? As I’m sure you are aware, it’s easier to discuss one specific topic with a stranger than bounce around over a wider brief.

I’m probably going to slope off to bed now, if my vomiting son will allow it but I’ll be happy to engage with you in the morning if you’d like a polite discussion.
Good night everyone.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 09/04/2018 02:46

Bewilderness
I've already reported Sue.

TGLWGH

thebewilderness · 09/04/2018 02:44

I do not think it appropriate for you to post links to articles that defame Mumsnet. Sue0001

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 09/04/2018 02:34

Sue0001 Hi
That's great advice on the term you advised us not to use. Would you please search all the threads for us and see where someone used it?That would be such a great help.

thebewilderness · 09/04/2018 02:06

Welcome to Mumsnet, Sue0001. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Sue0001 · 09/04/2018 02:01

Hate towards trans people

I’m really concerned that the beautiful purpose of Mumsnet and its fantastic support for Mums is being put at risk by the concerted and orchestrated hate attacks on transgender people, children and their parents. If it continues I think the whole site is at risk.

I would like to remind everyone of some simple facts:-

  • the Prime Minister recently stated that being transgender is not an illness
(PinkNews Awards)
  • the Endocrine Society states there is an “enduring biological basis” for being transgender
  • latest scientific research shows that hormonal imbalances during foetal development and
chromosomal abnormalities are key determining factors impacting gender identity (Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience, Dick Swaab PHD, Alicia Garcia-Falgueras PHD)
  • evidenced based research influenced the NHS reclassifying Gender Identity Services from mental health provision to Specialist Women’s Services (NHS England – Specialised Commissioning
Women and Children Programme of Care Bulletin – March 2018)
  • the term “transgenderism” is no longer a valid medical term as being transgender is no longer considered an illness. Today it is more commonly used as a deliberate slur to tag transgender people as being an ‘ism’

I do hope this information will be useful to you.

Pratchet · 08/04/2018 23:30

I've just realised, I bet a lot of the rudeness is due to people coming here from Twitter after hearing about you, and bringing that slight Twitter arsiness with us them

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 08/04/2018 23:27

I kept getting him confused with the other seth

thebewilderness · 08/04/2018 23:26

I had no idea who he was until he put on the most incredibly misogynist performance at the Academy Awards a few years ago.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 08/04/2018 23:01

Really?

Will have a little look

Jayceedove · 08/04/2018 22:55

It was sad. Yes. He is a talented guy. His singing in the proms at the Albert Hall is pretty good too.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 08/04/2018 21:36

jaycee

Yeah ive watched The Orville

It was a very interesting episode i found it a bit sad at times

Jayceedove · 08/04/2018 21:28

Those of you loving the Ted movies, whilst I have not seen them and now might check them out, Seth McFarlane the star and writer is also the star and writer of The Orville. A new TV show which is a version of Star Trek with humour.

But don't let that immediately put you off.

In episode 3 of the first series that was on some channel recently, forget which, Fox possibly, there is an episode he wrote called About a Girl.

He writes all the episodes of everything he does.

I think you might find this interesting as it is about two of the crew who are members of a single male sexed race who have a baby and it turns out to be a girl. Creating all kinds of confusion.

The story revolves around what happens next and it is an interesting allegory to transgender issues and Feminism in one go.

And also seems to make points about transgender children without actually saying this.

I am not mad on his cartoon series (Family Guy American Dad) as the humour is a bit crude. But The Orville is quite moderated and watchable.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 08/04/2018 21:07

I am not a fan of lad culture and in the beginning you think you are watching lad culture, I have two DS so watched both with them, and you know, it's totally human non conforming and so intelligent. Clever writing.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 08/04/2018 21:03

Ted 1 is awesome too, spoiler alert for Ted 2.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 08/04/2018 21:00

Is it just Ted 2 or is ted good too?

Ted free on Amazon prime. But will pay for Ted 2

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 08/04/2018 20:56

Ted 2 the movie funny scenes. Ted's best friend is a stoner whose GF dumps him cos he's a layabout stoner. Ted is his BF.

I've come to realise this is an important allegorical movie. If that sounds pompous it's not intentional. The writers clearly knew what they were doing.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 08/04/2018 20:26

Have you seen me attempt a link

It takes about 2 hours Grin

Nope not gonna link to that!!

Just being nosy

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 08/04/2018 20:23

It was Ted 2. Don't post links. See Youtube

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 08/04/2018 20:15

Was it Ted 2

I havent seen Ted 2

ZERF · 08/04/2018 20:14

I agree pickle; I tend not to type report, I just do it as it brings more attention to the reported post even if it is deleted.

Saying that something is too close to the bone (but not praps report worthy) and why is constructive I think.

picklemepopcorn · 08/04/2018 20:06

Can someone PM me the ted thing? I'm not sure what to look for.