Caitlin Moran in today's Saturday Times

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JellySlice · 07/04/2018 09:15

Yes.

How can any Western woman say she is not a feminist, when she takes a feminist life for granted? Women uncertain whether they are feminist, or want to be, need to read this.

(I'm reading this in the paper, and do not have a subscription to link the article. Perhaps someone else could?)

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BabyItsAWildWorld · 07/04/2018 10:42

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Thegirlinthefireplace · 07/04/2018 10:27

Nowtowork. Apologies if I have misunderstood! But do you think that the idea we live in a patriarchy is basically a feminist conspiracy theory?

NowToWork · 07/04/2018 10:20

I don't like posting on feminism chat but it seems appropriate in this case. The reason for me no longer saying I am a feminist is because of the baggage attached to it.

I find talk of patriarchy as helpful as that of the worldwide military industrial complex or Big Pharma or a New World Order. So perhaps I was mistaken in thinking I was a feminist anyway.

I am all for equality of opportunity. Is that enough? If so I'm in and always have been and always will be.

Irishfeminist · 07/04/2018 10:18

Urgh, I just noticed how she bungs "trans rights" into a list of feminist causes, ffs...

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 07/04/2018 10:18

Yes I noticed the 'trans rights' dropped in amongst the FGM, gender pay gap and repeal the 8th issues.

Viago · 07/04/2018 10:18

Irish yes I'd agree. It's a shame in some ways as the Times would probably publish it if she did say something, unlike the guardian etc.

Irishfeminist · 07/04/2018 10:15

@Viago I think Caitlin's a bit of a people pleaser in some ways, she's on the fence about the trans issue. All it will take will be a wrong word or phrase from her though, and the TRAs will be upon her (like Jack Monroe)

Viago · 07/04/2018 10:11

I'm not sure why feminists would support the claim that a man in a dress and a bad wig is also a woman, no matter how fervently he and others wish it to be true.

This comment left by a man is interesting.

ILikeMyChickenFried · 07/04/2018 10:08

I've been told on this very forum that as a SAHM I cannot be a feminist. It's rubbish, of course I am. Every woman enjoying the freedoms we have in this country is a feminist. Just look at how backwards other places are in regards to women's rights.

rowdywoman1 · 07/04/2018 10:05

Some of the comments underneath are very cross!

I've found it really interesting reading the Times in the last 6 months - and while I roll my eyes at the "feminazi" brigade it's been really helpful to read intelligent opposing views to things that I hold dear. And sometimes I have to recognise that I have no adequate response to them.

mousedahousecat · 07/04/2018 09:37

Here's a share token for it here www.thetimes.co.uk/article/caitlin-moran-were-all-feminists-really-vrk7wcs0d?shareToken=c65ba98caf026ce5d498999a8b0306fa