Girl Guides policies on girls consent and safeguarding

I have a sneaking suspicion that for Scouts it will wind up being that transboys and transgirls will be placed with the girls on any outings.

This is already happening with other things like athletics. Transwomen compete against women and transmen compete against women.

Who is coming up with these ridiculous decisions!

Oh ref scouts above - I get they separate boys and girls/safeguarding around that - but would they put a transgirl in with the girls and a transit in with the boys...and presumably wrt leaders would they disclose? Presumably there could be similar problems despite having both sexes if they split differently for sleeping.

There's so many scenarios in which this was wrong. Even if they came home and said "another girl wanted to curl up and chat to me at night time" that would sound more like a sleepover to me and would t raise warning bells like it would with a boy/boy turned girl!!

“ I can only conclude they are deliberately lying” . This is so worrying. Anyone involved in child safety knows that gaslighting is a big red flag. Telling girls that another child with a penis is a girl like them, is lying and manipulation on a grand scale. Not allowing girls to have boundaries or privacy from boys, or adult males, is abusive. Who is leading this agenda ? What is happening in all-girls boarding schools, does anyone know?

They are wrong about what the law requires. They have been told this several times and referred to the relevant legislation . They are still insisting that they are legally required to admit males as guides and leaders despite having the legal position clearly and comprehensively explained. I can only conclude that they are deliberately lying.

I think they rushed into it after lobbying by trans orgs and now are doubling down and being stubborn rather than admit the stupidity of the decision they rushed into. Typical of large organisations.

There is another safeguarding issue here. The whole emphasis seems to be on secrecy, no-one must know the child's,leader's biological sex. However if that child/leader needs medical attention it is essential the medical professionals involved know the biological sex and if any hormone drugs are being taken. So there has to be a protocol about this possibility.

Oh, this statement is awful:

"However, as a girl-only organisation Girlguiding does not have the right to exclude trans young people from guiding and nor would we wish to. "

So they ONLY care about or consider transgirls? What about transboys, they don't count as trans young people? Jesus christ.

And yes - they can be a same sex org they no longer want to be.

They changed last year some time to "same gender" without AFAIK consulting anyone.

The really depressing thing is that girls who ID as agender, bigender, genderfluid, any of the range of genders now, or as boys, are to be signposted towards other orgs ie managed out.

They are only interested in children (any sex) who ID as GIRLS. So in this day and age, children know that this is all about being super feminine. So they want to be an org for feminine children. How does this sit aside all of the research and statements they have made around sex discrimination, getting rid of stereotypes, and how important it is for girls to have girl only space?

They have chucked all of their history out and fundamentally changed what they are.

PP about scouts, they are mixed sex org so have safeguarding in place around different sex kids and overnight stuff. GG have stated that "transgirls are girls" so no need for any safeguarding. Older section currently runs from 14 to 25 I think? So 25 yo TIM could be in with 14yo girl and for them, there are no safeguarding issues. Nor any need to consider girls privacy etc. Seniors changing to max 18 soon but can't see this makes much of a difference.

Thanks. I could hardly believe what I was reading. It is so disturbing. SO disturbing.

I have nothing against transpeople, but anyone who would go on a trip KNOWING that their status is being kept secret from people who have a legitimate reason to know. KNOWING that their presence might not be consented to if known. Big, huge red flag. There also seems to be the blanket assumption that no-one would pretend to be trans (without surgery naturally) to have this secret, non-consensual access to young girls. Hello, Rochdale, Telford anyone?

It is so depressing that this can be going on - the safeguarding implications are huge and the only conclusion I can draw is that girls in general are being thrown under the bus to accommodate the feelings of a few biological males.

Do the GG not get that lying by omission is still LYING to parents?! Parents who are not tuned into the trans agenda will be oblivious (until their daughter comes home pregnant of course).

That's a good point Liquoricetea: what do the scouts do?

I'm interested in the question from SirVix above - as I understand it from the articles I've read the GG are saying that if there's a fully intact biological male on a trip, they are not required to tell the parents of biological females on the trip. Is this really, really true?

It's really, really true that they are not going to tell parents.

It's also really, really true that they are not going to tell parents if their teenage daughter is going to be sharing overnight accommodation with a teenage boy (complete with penis) who identifies as a girl.

Whether or not the reading of equality law as supplied to them by trans lobbyists in this instance is really, really accurate is another matter altogether...

What do scouts do (I'm considering moving my girls). Do they segregate by sex on trips etc or do they allow gender segregation too?

I'm interested in the question from SirVix above - as I understand it from the articles I've read the GG are saying that if there's a fully intact biological male on a trip, they are not required to tell the parents of biological females on the trip. Is this really, really true?

My second thought if true is - if a pregnancy arises from this policy and the parents of the pregnant girl didn't know about the presence of fully functioning penises at the trip, then are the GG liable for child support for the baby? Because in my opinion they should be. Fine if they want to allow transgirls but to NOT TELL the parents of the other girls? Surely this is a basic fail of safeguarding.

It's a separate sensitive DBS process, that I believe the transwoman has to opt into. They don't have to declare their 'dead names' on application.
And yes, GG have changed their status from a sex-segregated organization, to a gender segregated organization. So boys who like girly things are in, and actual real girls who are falling prey to the trans dogma will be managed out, as girl guiding is no longer appropriate for their masculine ways. It's a travesty.
How we are supposed to free girls from gender stereotypes whilst ignoring biological reality and mainstreaming gender stereotyped identities is something that they aren't willing to discuss.
Cultures where girls require single sex spaces will once again depart GG. We spent so long dispelling the nonsense that GG was for white Christian girls. And now we will be right back at the beginning. Except we will be accepting little white Christian boys too. As long as they are sufficiently feminine.

Actually would be Trans volunteers or leaders have a special route to declare their status....ie different from everyone else, but there is no guarantee they will not lie . Just means whoever does the interviews etc will not know, presumably

@agnesbadenpowell would be able to answer these questions.

Yes, you have to give previously used names. I can't remember, but you may have to give ID to show legal name change? I might be wrong about that though.