A Woman's Place is Speaking up in Wales (Cardiff Meeting next week)

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I would just like to say that I very much like Debbie Hayton and appreciate the way in which Debbie never sinks to personal attack.

I would also like to reiterate that WPUK and WNTT are two entirely different campaigning groups.

Nice bit of implied ageism there too crispy

the older generation who cling to the term

"Outdated" you are saying?

So what are your criteria? How long is a trans person "allowed" to be trans before you put them on a shelf marked "past sell by date"?

She has zero interest in any of the trans community unless it benefits her, or the older generation who cling to the term transexual.

Confirmation that trans activists want to get rid of the term 'transsexual', against the wishes of transsexuals.

With all due respect it doesn't surprise me that the only trans women well regarded on this forum, are the ones that the vast majority of trans women disagree with, and are not welcome to join in trans groups, because they are only interested in advocating for themselves, other transsexuals and biological women and girls.

There, fixed that for you.

"It's so sad you are making this into a zero sum game, winners and losers. That's not the intention. No-one wants a Trump world. We are listening to you, you are being heard. Trans rights are human rights. Badly enacted law helps no-one."

Crispbutty. This is an excellent point that you should take on board. Your posts are becoming increasingly unhinged, if I may say so.

We know the TRA tactics to get venues to cancel - we've seen them, and we've seen them organised. They make threats, and tell lies.

I think you should withdraw that personal attack on Debbie Hayton, crispbutty, because it is blatantly untrue and unfair, and Debbie is on Mumsnet.

Well done, Wales!!!

They are not daft, they had a plan A.

I think they get better each time.

Wish I was there

Me too. Sounds like a cracking meeting, despite all the aggro earlier.

Sorry I am derailing. Hoping Crisp will read it. Wish I was there.

Thanks. It is amazing what you learn when you start on this journey. It has been eye-opening so far. Thank you TRAs

I don't think all this trying to stop women having meeting helps the trans activists.

No it doesn't in the long run. But it has got more chance of success than trying to get the majority of the population to pretend they believe that some women have dicks. So the shouting, lying, and bullying will continue, because that's all they have.

I only know what happened at sea because I was told by men, I was excluded, because of my biology. I couldn't be a proper member of the armed forces because I was female. I was discriminated against and was on woman's payscale, lower than the men's pay. We understand discrimination.

Melamin Article 11 of the Human Rights Act 1988
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights/human-rights-act

''Article 11 protects your right to protest by holding meetings and demonstrations with other people
You also have the right to form and be part of a trade union, a political party or any another association or voluntary group. Nobody has the right to force you to join a protest, trade union, political party or another association.''
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-11-freedom-assembly-and-association

I was in the military in the 80s, a completely tolerant environment, unofficially that was. Men lived side by side with every sexuality and orientation. It was live and let live as much as they could manage when the law was draconian still. Out at sea on long voyages the Captain would hold weddings unofficially if that's what was wanted. A party was always welcome. They would make wedding dresses. And yet you think I hate. Please stop saying that about me. Yes we argue for our viewpoint on the law but we are not trying to destroy peaceful coexistence.

I'm so glad this has gone ahead - I'm hoping there's something on the weekend towards the end of June that I'm back in the UK - I'm willing to drive virtually anywhere to get to one and show my support - I feel so useless out in the wilds of Europe!

Thanks

This article 11?
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-11-freedom-assembly-and-association

So actually, having the debate moved worked in our favour because it got more publicity.

Article 11 is about us having agency and autonomy over things that affect us. It gives us a voice
twitter.com/RadFemLawyer/status/984513703314767874

What is this Article 11?

There was a piece on the BBC Welsh news this evening about the hotel cancelling the meeting. The reporter gave a reasonable synopsis of what the meeting was about, and there was a short interview with Helen Mary Jones.

So thanks, TRAs for getting Woman's Place UK on the BBC news.