A Woman's Place is Speaking up in Wales (Cardiff Meeting next week)

Wonderful evening although sadly had to dash off minutes before the end.

I was itching to make my politically homeless statement and suggest that WPUK could really start pushing for this.

I'm also hoping for a Swansea meeting- I'd help promote it

Yes, I wonder about this. Surely this attempt to silence women (and it is predominantly women) from organising politically and meeting and speaking about issues that affect them is illegal harassment and discrimination against a protected group? Can't action be taken?

I would also chip in to a Crowd Funder. This has gone too far. You cannot have a functioning democracy when half the population is unable to debate freely proposed legislative changes that affect them.

I wonder what the legal position is in refusing to provide a service to WPUK.

Are organisations allowed to pick and choose who is able to access their provision?

I would be horrified if they denied a trans advocacy group from using their provision!

I would also contribute to any crowdfunder set up by WPUK.

Glad to see the meeting went ahead and all the tweets from it were so positive and energised.

I would be surprised if they did not seek legal advice. It is one thing to cancel a booking at short notice but to announce it publicly and link it to bigotry and racism is not wise in a situation where this sort of accusation has big consequences.

very interesting comment from Lucy Massoud on twitter that Women's PLace are seeking legal advice regarding the libellous tweet that the Mercure put up explaining why they'd cancelled the booking.

If Women's Place sue the Mercure that would indeed be interesting times. I know I'd contribute to a crowdfunder for that.

The difference in approach has been sometimes explained as identifying as a woman compared to identifying with women. The trans MNetter regulars are interested in and support the interests of women and girls as a group they identify with and have emotional connection to as a group, as oppose to the emotional focus being to colonise and subordinate, while rejecting the feelings of women and girls.

With all due respect it doesn't surprise me that the only trans women well regarded on this forum, are the ones that the vast majority of trans women disagree with, and are not welcome to join in trans groups, because they are only interested in advocating for themselves

The trans groups that I have seen seem to be full of cross dressers. Who just do it for the weekend.

I have nothing in common with such people - I know that when I have been to those groups, I can't relate to them.

It's not a case of not being welcome to join - it's a case of not relating to the group

@truscum, you may have just outed yourself with that post, you may want to get it deleted and repost without reference to 'old' and 'clinging on'? Happy to have this comment deleted too.

That was a fantastic evening, thanks to everyone for pulling out all the stops to make sure it went ahead despite the efforts to silence us - I met up with old friends I'd really not expected to see there, & made some wonderful new connections. The most unexpected conversations I had all evening were with a couple of people who'd gone along (separately) having only previously heard damning reports of what WPUK are about, who were both pleasantly surprised to discover that there'd been no truth to what they'd been warned to expect, and both ended up in the pub with us afterwards... It feels good to end the day feeling this inspired

Glad to see the meeting was another success (and thanks to the TRA’s has peaked what seems to be quite a few more people on sm)

And oh look, another post claiming that as I believe that ‘trans’ should only apply to someone with diagnosed gender dysphoria, and has attempted to alter their obviously sexed body parts with hormones/surgery, that I must be ‘old’ and ‘clinging on’.

Damn right I’m clinging on.

I won’t let cross dressing fetishists and MRA’s use people like me to get their own way over women.

Transvestites don’t hate their own body, they don’t want to alter it in any way, why do they suddenly count as ‘trans’?

Why is every Tom, Dick and Harry now just as deserving of ‘special treatment’ (Let’s face it, that’s what this kind of person thinks of any steps taken to correct inequality faced by women/disability/race/LGB/T)

That was AMAZING.

Thank you to the speakers and the organisers (I know some of you are reading this!). It was inspirational and informative and a real pleasure to attend.

I even made it to the pub for a nice gin and tonic like a Real Grown Up

Mumsnet got a mention or two at the end when attendees could speak!

Great to actually meet some MNers in the flesh, plus two big shout outs for MN. And thanks to the lovely MNer that ferried us around in her car!

I enjoyed it, but, not coming from a left-wing stance, some of the left wing politics left me cold - I didn't go along to hear about the evils of the Patriarchy. The choir were great.

I hope that everyone had a good time in Cardiff. Certainly the Tweeting suggested that it went very well.

As for the hiccup this afternoon, thankfully another venue was available so all was well. Beyond that the publicity it has genegated and will generate might be priceless.

Debbie

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09y1k11/bbc-wales-today-evening-news-12042018

Link to the piece on BBC Wales Today, it starts around 11:40.

Great to hear it went so well

I see the hotel hastily deleted their inflammatory and libellous Tweet. Foolish behaviour on their part.

Well that was a fantastic night. Cheers to the transactivists- I bet the drinks were cheaper than they would have been in the Mercure!

Crisp.

I am not Linda or Anne. I am me.
I am capable of listening to human beings and forming my own judgement.
No-one can incite me to hatred.
My children only exist because of some of the worst hatred in recent history. Their grandparents were driven from their homes and came here as a result of hatred in their countries as children as refugees. My kids generation are lucky to grow up in a country not dominated by fear and hate. I am not disturbing that peace.
I hear women being driven to anger. I hear you being driven to anger. This is untenable. Please choose to stop.
Choose peace.

Cheers to that MsB (and Beyond )

crispbutty you say various people 'have made it clear they do not accept trans women'. What do you think they have 'made clear'? What are they 'not accepting'.

My understanding of the people you mention is that they accept transwomen: exist, they are entitled to dignity, privacy and respect, are protected by some laws, have a right to speak/ protest peacefully and to hold views different to their own.

I don't think they accept trans women: are women, can become women, have protections that usurp all sex based protections or are entitled to shut down debate.

Believing that sex is fixed from birth and can and should determine access to some provision does not equal not accepting transwomen.

Pub?

Just another #TGLWGH

Indeed Lang. I've never seen Debbie partake in anything other than respectful discussion.

She definitely lives TGLWGH.