Transgender Weightlifter Story in Daily Mail! - will they let the comments through?

Jus seen this on the BBC.

There is an article on the bbc about this

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43688627

Camilla Long commented on Hubbard in today's Times:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-funny-how-womenwont-own-uptobeing-wary-of-have-i-got-news-for-you-ph2lrxvnj?shareToken=d4482216e56ea4645410fd18e8eb5645

She annoys me as often as I agree with her but I'm grateful she is drawing attention to this.

Just shown the photo to my DH.

A peak trans moment.

I was reading a blog post t’other day on Fit is a Feminist Issue, and was quite depressed. Most of the contributors are academics and fully immersed in the transwomen are women culture. That particular post was centering on recruiting more women and gender non conforming people into cycling, and trying to erase the barriers that prevent it. It all seems a bit circular and contradictory to me - by encouraging transwomen to take up and compete in cycling, you effectively render it more difficult for women to compete and win on fair terms. I understand the striving towards removing barriers to participation, but it irks me that a feminist blog is championing transwomen alongside female athletes without recognizing the obvious consequences for females. A real lack of rigour. I’m kinda disappointed. I like the blog as it many other respects it really does provide sane reflections on sport and womanhood. But I understand the limitations on free speech for academics. Suspect this is actual kool aid driven though.

I actually hope he wins. By a huge margin.

It needs to be demonstrated and crystal clear just what is going on. If he wins, it will make headlines. And a lot of people aware of what's going on who up until now have been oblivious.

I suspect the former as I don't think Laurel is a particularly committed transactivist.

I was wondering if he'd throw it this time: like a loss leader to prove that men don't always beat women so it's all fine, nothing to worry about.

That's what I was thinking too. I wonder if the lure of the Olympics or The Cause will triumph?

Trumpdump: snap you said it first.

I was wondering if he'd throw it this time: like a loss leader to prove that men don't always beat women so it's all fine, nothing to worry about.

I heard that Hubbard threw the last competition to avoid controversy about trouncing female athletes.

Another aspect to this is that I can see women injuring themselves in their efforts to compete against trans athletes.

I feel bad saying this, but I hope that he does win as it will peak trans a lot of people. If he doesn't win, the TRAs will be all: "see! There's no advantage to being trans!"

Looks like that competition will be early tomorrow morning, so not a lot of people will see it on this side of the world.
www.bbc.com/sport/commonwealth-games/results/sports/weightlifting/weightlifting-womens-90kg

How about if a female athelete were to identify themselves as non binary (which falls under the trans umbrella) and claimed to be be trigggered by a hyper feminine hormone profile and took just enough T to androgenyse themselves so their testosterone levels was higher than that allowed for a born female but below the allowed level of 10n/mol for male to female trans. since they didn’t identify as female to male and didn’t pursue any surgery or other treatment they could argue they should still be treated as biologically female albeit with an outwardly non binary gender presentation and there expect to be allowed to compete in the female category.

Exactly. Rush to appear progressive. Endless unintended consequences.

And here: mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-08/laurel-hubbard-split-in-ranks-over-transgender-weightlifter/9626242?pfmredir=sm

There are some articles coming out - it seems to be ramping up now that the event is close:

www.news.com.au/sport/commonwealth-games/games-ticking-time-bomb-explodes-as-rival-nation-protests-transgender-weightlifters-presence/news-story/4b2a53fbd236bc63ef1e45d91de5acd6

isn't this yet another case of 'educating those girls / women' who question... or rather silence those girls /women who may have reason to question?

juells This is what I don't understand either - apart from the very eloquent letter to the IoC from a Brazilian female basketball player, NO ONE is campaigning - You would have thought there would be a huge petition from female athletes and their (often male) trainers. Only now do we get the Aussie head of their federation speaking out.

Like others I hope they win - as it would peak trans lots of people.

Interesting that it was only last year that rules were relaxed - so in 12 months or so, already significant of trans athletes winning.... where will we be in 10 years?

And what would be fair? People are starting to grapple with that....

• Looking to para-olympics for possible models - possibly a separate trans category?
• Looking to Germany - separate awards for trans/natal?
• My instinct: keep those born male competing together, with transwoman getting "own" medal... and ditto those born female .... otherwise, huge numbers of girls will be turned off sport: German model I think has separate medal for natal women/ transwomen but they compete in same category - so you would always feel you were "runner up"....

WHATEVER HAPPENS IoC needs to be held to account - my understanding is that it was a TINY study of less than 20 people that led them to set the levels as they did, without any thoughts about the unintended consequences.....

Don't make a fuss, you might upset someone. Imagine how male athletes would feel if someone pulled this kind of gaslighting shit on them?

Saw a good expression somewhere today..."don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining".

I think the women are probably advised against making a fuss

Why can't women athletes demand parity of testosterone levels if competing against a trans athlete?

Don’t know if this has been suggested before but here goes...

How about if a female athelete were to identify themselves as non binary (which falls under the trans umbrella) and claimed to be be trigggered by a hyper feminine hormone profile and took just enough T to androgenyse themselves so their testosterone levels was higher than that allowed for a born female but below the allowed level of 10n/mol for male to female trans. since they didn’t identify as female to male and didn’t pursue any surgery or other treatment they could argue they should still be treated as biologically female albeit with an outwardly non binary gender presentation and there expect to be allowed to compete in the female category.

That would be one to watch, there’d be an absolute outrage from every camp and then surely the non logic of the whole feckin thing would slap everyone in the face?

To a certain extent I do blame the coaches and the competing women. Why don't the female athletes organise and boycott these events? I can see how annoying it would be if you've worked for years to get to a certain level for a certain competition, but the present situation is just bullshit.

Those trans athletes have no fucking shame.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/24/backlash-as-transgender-weightlifter-qualifies-for-womens-category-at-commonwealth-games/

This in an interesting article. The NZ president of Olympic Weightlifting is quoted as saying that LH has retained their strength despite having a reduced testosterone level.

What I also find telling is that LH appears to be quite a lot older than the women taking part. In the women's weightlifting I watched on the BBC's coverage yesterday, they were teenagers or in their 20's. LH is 40 years old.