Ulster Rugby trial -continued

I don't have too much of a problem with them getting contracts elsewhere (and it was always going to happen). It's enough that their bubble of

I can't see that anyone has said that Bumble and I am very sure not a single poster in this discussion thinks that, most certainly not Treacle. What happened to your daughter is not ok.

I can't get on board with wanting to see SO and PJs lives in ruins. I can understand why some would. I have seen some boys/men who displayed similar disregard for women grow up to live useful lives with wives and children. I cannot know what is in their heads but it feels like they have changed. I believe people can change. Perhaps it feels inadequate but given that inadequate is exactly what our justice system is, at least there are some consequences. I think the publicity and having to move will feel like consequences.

I think the biggest thing for me yesterday was if I/others had spoken up years ago perhaps people like this young woman and Bumble's daughter wouldn't have to go through the same experiences. I wonder what could have been achieved. I felt a huge guilt I've never felt before about responsibility to our daughters and all who come after us.

I think the way forward is to focus on the positive here.

Maybe think about what that review at Ulster rugby going to look like? Is there an opportunity to see how it's shaped. What women's groups will be engaged. Will it include schools? Etc.

I'm not local but clearly there are some strong women in Belfast. I hope they hold the rugby establishment accountable for what happens next.

Small steps but steps...

I was talking about the abuse on social media.

Interestingly, this article says that Exeter are negotiating with Olding but distanced themselves from a deal with Jackson. I wonder why one and not the other?

sashh
A particular Irish look.
Does Paddy Jackson look anything like Stuart Olding, Blane mc Ilroy or Rory Harrison ?
No .
All Northern Irish but they don't look alike.

NotTaken, I agree that protesting against them joining any club might do more harm than good.

I am not surprised to see the pay-off headline. There was no way they would have accepted the decision otherwise, given the outcome of the court case

Treacle what you are saying is that Protestant groups have shown themselves to be more misogynistic than catholic? And you have gleaned this information from Facebook profiles? I understand your good intentions but please just stop. A distinction does not have to be drawn between the two communities...despite being embarrassingly inaccurate, what good does it do? So typical of the NI bubble to always being everything back to religion...I despair!!

Totallymyownperson I agree, but does going after two men after they’ve been rejected by our society really further the cause in the best possible way.
If it does and it can be explained what the end goal will be, I’m in. But I need to understand it.

Treacle:

My point wasn't meant to be that it's 'working class Protestant scum' who support the rugby. What I was trying to say (and obviously said it very very badly) was that this is the group within N Ireland society who seem to be the most angry with women and this whole case has seen them vent their anger at women for daring to stand up and say 'this isn't good enough'. I don't really think it has much to do with rugby at all, it's society.

If you can’t see how offensive that I’m struggling to work out how to communicate it. You are basing this on band uniforms and football tops. It’s not good enough. You seem really educated and have contributed so eloquently at times over these two threads and I’m bloody let down that you are peddling such a rhetoric.

NotTaken - a whitch hunt is what happens to women who say they have been raped.
Nothing that happens to these men can ever be seen as Whitchurch hunt

Not Taken no, actually, I can't see how my posts are so offensive. How is it offensive to say that I have never blamed a victim for their own assault? That I think there is a problem with misogyny in N Ireland society?

Totallymyownperson I do worry at that point the accusations of witch hunt might be justified.
What can we do here in Northern Ireland to keep the momentum up? To keep people thinking, even if they are unable to speak out?

Treaclesoda I understand your point and that you are not in any way trying to rattle any one.

I can see now where the misunderstanding has come from.

Please let me try to explain as I'm gutted that I have come across wrong.

My point wasn't meant to be that it's 'working class Protestant scum' who support the rugby. What I was trying to say (and obviously said it very very badly) was that this is the group within N Ireland society who seem to be the most angry with women and this whole case has seen them vent their anger at women for daring to stand up and say 'this isn't good enough'. I don't really think it has much to do with rugby at all, it's society.

@Bumblefuddle I can't imagine what you or your daughter are going through.

I really don't think any posters are saying they think your daughter deserved to be raped. Not at all

I imagine you are tired, angry, disillusioned and need some support. Try and look after yourself

The way I see it is that these guys have been ousted from their own society NI and Ulster rugby. That is as it should be because they are legally not guilty but found abhorrent by their own society. That’s how human community works thank God. This is thanks to the people who worked to have them punished by society as the law could not. Now they need to be left alone to go elsewhere. So no more petitions. It’s over now as far as I’m concerned.

Oh my goodness yoy just can’t let it go can you treacle. Can you not see how your posts continue to be very offensive?

I'll ask for my previous post to be deleted too.

But I honestly don't understand how it has been misunderstood to the point of saying that I think someone deserved to be assaulted. I have a long history of posting on feminist threads on mumsnet, and of volunteering in real life with a particular women's charity. I have never, and will never blame any victim of sexual assault for what happened to them.

I personally have received some very vitriolic abuse on social media over the course of this whole sorry saga and the point I was trying to make is that it has come from a particular group within N Ireland society.

Do you think there is any chance feminists can start a campaign to stop French and clubs signing them.
Really don't want these two playing rugby and being seen as role models

Treaclesoda it's not worth it, I have asked for my posts to be deleted, my comments were regarding the current backlash against the Ulster rugby decision not about anyone in the original case, I thought the discussion had moved onto misogyny in NI but this was considered a derailment - fair enough.