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Excellent article by trans woman - "A Plea To Trans Activists: We Can Protect Trans Rights Without Denying Biology"

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Italiangreyhound · 04/04/2018 01:33

Excellent article by trans woman - "A Plea To Trans Activists: We Can Protect Trans Rights Without Denying Biology"

quillette.com/2018/03/30/plea-trans-activists-can-protect-trans-rights-without-denying-biology/

Don't necessarily expect any chit chat on it, just wanted to promote it as it is very good and very clear.

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Beerincomechampagnetastes · 04/04/2018 03:26

What redsaid Grin

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2018 03:21

Its different because there is pluralism with in the trans community that is not being represented well.

The voices that are heard most are TRA who are loud and profess they speak for all trans people. They tend to be the ones who hold the absolutionist position that biology does not matter.

The thing is they are at the extreme end of the debate. And this is important.

Moderate voices like Debbie are lost. This is partly because a lot of trans people simply want to be invisible and no one know their hidden pain. It takes a lot for them to speak out, especially when they are shouted down by TRAs and at times even called traitors. Their concerns about the proposed changes to the law are ridden rough shot by TRAs in an aggressive manner. There are many moderates fearful of a backlash against them because they will be tarred with the same brush as the super aggressive and overly defensive TRAs.

Extreme TRAs get all the platform time over the likes of Debbie Hayton because they make a lot of noise and are most involved in politics. Its also down to the dynamic of how media works today. In order to set.up an interesting debate or story to generate clicks / advertising revenue editors look for extreme ends of the.argument. This dynamic and trend has led to extreme islamic clerics over moderates that are more reflective of the whole community getting airtime because its 'more interesting' for audiences. Instead of an educated debate which informs the public you get shock entertainment.

The consequences of shock entertainment is to create distorted pictures of a community.

In the context of the trans debate, it means that elements which are unsavoury are all the public know about.

Given who is driving for what, if we regard TRAs as extremists rather than moderates this puts a whole different context on to how much power and influence they should be getting in politics. Why should we pander to extremists on anything? Especially if it hurts moderates in the community and has wide ranging impact to society - particularly women.

Hayton piece demonstrates well that you can be respectful to women's concerns and also seek and expect respect for being treated as a woman, whilst still not insisting you are a woman. Because you know, the limits of reality. And thats not necessarily bigotry.

I do have major issues with TRAs for this reason and their desire to smash through barriers which don't add rights to themselves, they just remove them from women.

Hayton shines a light on what is reality going on with TRAs and how its not healthy. And ultimately why it should be challenged by offering an alternative moderate perspective that can help build consensus, trust and understanding between communities rather than just fostering more division, anger, resentment and hostility on both sides.

Thats why this piece is so important and does really matter.

Italiangreyhound · 04/04/2018 02:14

@Puffycat Do you mean "Why does that make it different?" That it is written by a trans woman?

because a lot of trans people on line are saying stuff like 'gender is between your ears and it's not what in your pants that matter, and I am a woman because I say I am a woman. And here is a trans woman taking women's concerns seriously. It's just good, to me, that's all. It's clear.

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Puffycat · 04/04/2018 02:13

Trans women

Italiangreyhound · 04/04/2018 02:03

@Puffycat Why does that make what different?

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Puffycat · 04/04/2018 01:54

Why does that make it different?

Italiangreyhound · 04/04/2018 01:50

Yes @Puffycat I'm 100% with you.

I'm against self id not against trans women. The article is written by a trans woman.

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Puffycat · 04/04/2018 01:49

Question to you OP
What are trans rights?

Puffycat · 04/04/2018 01:47

Self declaration worries me a bit. I’m all for people being who they feel they are, I mean if you feel like a woman and want to portray yourself in the world like that then, yes, cool
But.....do you not feel we have gone a little nuts recently?
I’m sick of listening to debates about changing rooms in TopShop.
And then we start pissing around with our language, he, she, boy, girl. Mum, dad, parent 1,parent 2, it could be a Dr Seuss!