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DD thrown out of a women's ASD support group on fb.

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GrooovyLass · 02/04/2018 19:07

Just need to rant - not sure if this is the right place.

DD is 18 and just starting to seek support for herself outside of the school/college environment. She joined a fb group a few weeks ago but got banned today because she said that her experience as a teenage girl with ASD would be completely different to that of a transwoman in the group.

That's it - she wasn't rude or anything, she just said that their experiences must, by definition, be different. I'm so fucking angry for her.

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thebewilderness · 02/04/2018 20:53

It would be good to talk to her about her testing the groups to see if they are a good fit just as the mods will test new members.
Just as we interview the employer as they interview us it is important to be curious but not committed.
Also it only stings the first few times you get fooled by bait and switch groups who say they are for your group when in reality they are against your group.

Terftastic · 02/04/2018 20:42

That's really shit, GrooovyLass. I'm totally with your DD on this!

Unfortunately, it seems that this trans "shhh, don't mention biology and socialisation' rhetoric really is seeping into places at all levels.

hellokittymania · 02/04/2018 20:41

That’s awful, but sadly, I find many of these groups to be not as accommodating and quite judgmental toward others. I am on a few visually impaired groups, and have been banned from a few run by other people with visual impairments with quite close minds. Mine. Just look for one that fits you, i also have other disabilities other than a visual impairment and for that reason I have been bullied quite a bit, even though I do a fair bit with my life and have quite a lot of experience. Very hard to fit in, but I have learned to choose groups and friends carefully. Good people are out there, trust me.

GrooovyLass · 02/04/2018 20:32

She just wants to forget about it, I'm sitting here getting angrier and angrier!

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Fishfingersandwichnocheese · 02/04/2018 20:12

So we can’t mention biology at all. Great. It’s now transphobic to say that two humans who are biologically (and physiologically different as a result) may not have had the same experienced due to their biology.

TERFousBreakdown · 02/04/2018 19:47

Hmmm ... get it. Which in the current climate would obviously be interpreted as meaning that she denies the transwoman's mystical inner essence of womanhood or something (seeing as the example quoted is based on behaviour rather than physiology).

I'd personally feel tempted to message them and go all PoMo snowflakey on their arses, accusing them of not being intersectional on the grounds that they disregard her experience of being an ASD biologically female teen. Don't think it'd change any minds but it can't hurt to try and play them at their own game for a bit.

GrooovyLass · 02/04/2018 19:36

They told her she was being transphobic and that she was "othering" the transwoman. Her response was that she welcomed anyone into the group but that her experiences (going undiagnosed until her early teens because she had learned to mirror and mask neurotypicals, which is a classic female ASD trait, for example) were exclusive to natal born women.

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TERFousBreakdown · 02/04/2018 19:31

That's outrageous!

Have they messaged her to give an explanation? If so, what was it?

Surely they can't be arguing that it's now transphobic to argue that transwomen's experiences may differ from ours? Because, especially (but not only!) in the case of teenagers with all the puberty related stuff going on that's just blatantly not the case!

GrooovyLass · 02/04/2018 19:27

She doesn't know any other members in real life. She has no interest in rejoining but it's also put her off joining any similar support groups.

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SickofThomasTheTank · 02/04/2018 19:21

That's awful! You'd think they'd be more accommodating given that it's an ASD group!

Have you messaged the Admin?

newtlover · 02/04/2018 19:11

poor thing, that's awful, but I can't say I'm surprised
does she know any of them in real life? it may be that whoever is 'in charge' is very zealous on these issues but others are more relaxed

AssassinatedBeauty · 02/04/2018 19:10

Maybe try and see it as a lucky escape that she found out early on how intolerant this group is, before she got too involved with them. It's ridiculous that stated an obvious fact is considered unacceptable to the point of exclusion from the group.

Are there any other groups she's interested in joining?

ferntwist · 02/04/2018 19:08

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