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DD thrown out of a women's ASD support group on fb.

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GrooovyLass · 02/04/2018 19:07

Just need to rant - not sure if this is the right place.

DD is 18 and just starting to seek support for herself outside of the school/college environment. She joined a fb group a few weeks ago but got banned today because she said that her experience as a teenage girl with ASD would be completely different to that of a transwoman in the group.

That's it - she wasn't rude or anything, she just said that their experiences must, by definition, be different. I'm so fucking angry for her.

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GrooovyLass · 03/04/2018 14:52

I don't know what one it was - she won't tell me because I think she thinks I'd join and then have a go at them!

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SporadicSpartacus · 03/04/2018 07:57

Sorry Dd had such a crap experience.

I’m in ‘Autistic Women in the UK’ on Facebook. Have expressed (mild) gender critical views there and not been banned yet.

nooka · 03/04/2018 04:09

While I think that some autistic people could get very easily swept up by trans ideologues and some may also be vulnerable to dysphoria I think there is also an issue where some individuals are self identifying into every group that they consider either oppressed or having special privileges (or both) and then demanding to be centred. Plus all the brocialists and SJWs busy being very busy getting offended on others behalves too and enjoying their policing power. With that in mind I'm not even surprised this has happened. Your poor dd OP, how shit for her to reach out for support and understanding and get so slapped down.

IceBearRocks · 03/04/2018 03:58

I was once throw out of an epilepsy group as I stuck up for a new member who's child had recently been diagnosed. She used the term epileptic which is a big no no in this group as you can have epilepsy but not be epileptic.
The admins totally went in in her and I was upset that this poor mum desperate for support was publically berated in a thread.
I got checked out ....some admins on FB pages are total control freaks !!!
I hope your DD gets the support she needs.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 03/04/2018 02:38

What people need to realise is that TIMs get into moderator positions and then abuse their power - for example reddit has only 2 or 3 safe subs for women out of millions - because they are moderated by women. The rest are moderated by women hating MRAs and /or TIMs .

Maybe help DD to set up her own group and you and her moderate it until she gets others in the FB group - that's the way to go

LoopOfHenle · 03/04/2018 01:43

Was it “Autistic Women (aspergers, asd + similar)”?

JoyTheUnicorn · 03/04/2018 00:40

I think I used to be in that group. I left due to the constant drama, fallouts and cliqueiness.
Your dd may be upset, but IMO she's had a lucky escape!

There are other groups, and if she follows a few bigger ones you tend to find smaller ones with more likeminded people in.

theuntameableshrew · 03/04/2018 00:18

pleasedontgoadthetoad good idea yes the “mumsnetters with SN”
talk section could be a great alternative for seeking out some support

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 02/04/2018 22:56

Sorry that should be, Flowers for your DD.

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PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 02/04/2018 22:55

Perhaps your DD could post on the SN boards here for support. There is a Mumsnetters with SN topic.

[Flowers] for your D'S.

Autisticappropriation · 02/04/2018 22:51

tands to sense that a lot of trans people are autistic. Gender is a social construct. All autistic people have trouble picking up on social cues. I am inclined to think autism is the primary cause of transgenderism. I don't think trans people are being unrealistic when they self identify as autistic, for the record

/sigh/ wrong in almost ever sentence. Verging on #autsplaining

MimpiDreams · 02/04/2018 22:42

If he were persuaded that his liking of the dress is a symptom of being transgender? Because that is basically what the transgender advocates do. Try to persuade children that their behavior is a symptom of gender identity disorder.

He also has long hair because he likes how it feels when he flicks it around. It terrifies me that someone will try to convince him that it's because there's something wrong with him. I can only hope that his current way of thinking continues. We can't use nicknames for him because he gets upset as they don't make sense. He insists he's a boy not a baby/sausage/pickle/monkey etc.

thebewilderness · 02/04/2018 22:32

My DS has a pink 'dress' with cats on that he loves. He doesn't care that society says it's for girls because there is no logical reason for that.
If he were persuaded that his liking of the dress is a symptom of being transgender? Because that is basically what the transgender advocates do. Try to persuade children that their behavior is a symptom of gender identity disorder.

ladyslattern · 02/04/2018 22:31

Just want to send good vibes to your daughter and hope she finds an online forum where she can say what she thinks without fear of censure. ASD is massively different manifestation and incidence in men and women.

HeadingForSunshine · 02/04/2018 22:27

Oh poor girl. It's so hard to get them to be pragmatic in this situation too. It was a trans person with ASD who upset dd so hard she took an od. Thankfully a small one but at least it led to her ADHD diagnosis and recovery.

MimpiDreams · 02/04/2018 22:26

I don't understand the connection between autism and trans at all. I know it exists but I don't get it. All the autists I know are very factual/logical and that's why social cues are missed. My DS has a pink 'dress' with cats on that he loves. He doesn't care that society says it's for girls because there is no logical reason for that. Therefore it doesn't follow that logic and facts are suspended for the sake of feelings.

I'm terrified of the trans issue because being autistic, I can't lie. I often know the 'correct' polite answer but if it's untrue I can't get the words out and I literally have to put my hands over my mouth to stop the truth coming out. If I find myself in a situation where I have to use 'correct' pronouns, then I'm utterly fucked.

OutofSyncGirl · 02/04/2018 22:18

I’m in an autistic group on FB too. Is it the one that begins with British?

SarahCarer · 02/04/2018 22:12

It stands to sense that a lot of trans people are autistic. Gender is a social construct. All autistic people have trouble picking up on social cues. I am inclined to think autism is the primary cause of transgenderism. I don't think trans people are being unrealistic when they self identify as autistic, for the record.

BlackeyedSusan · 02/04/2018 22:08

of course she is right.

suggest the sen board on mumsnet. she can be anonymous there.

I think she had a lucky escape.

MimpiDreams · 02/04/2018 22:07

If it’s the Facebook group I’m thinking of one of the admins is trans

I think I was in that group. It very cliquey. I left because I got sick of being accused of not being properly autistic whenever I disagreed with them.

GrooovyLass · 02/04/2018 22:06

I don't know what it's called theuntameableshrew but that would make sense.

I think a lot of people with ASD struggle to fit in (I'm also autistic) and yes, I have noticed that for quite a large number of them they seem to be using gender identity as a way to try to do so, either by declaring themselves trans or gender neutral.

DD was dipping her toes in the water before considering accessing rl support groups and this has knocked that idea right out of her head now. I think that's why I'm seething so much.

She's actually finding it quite amusing how angry I am but she has said that she understands what hitting peak trans means now.

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Autisticappropriation · 02/04/2018 21:58

I have had similar experiences in a couple of groups on fb and I just left it while quietly seething.

I’m so sorry your daughter has had this experience. It’s a big step to “come out” (as such) on fb to a bunch of strangers and to then have your personal experience denied to you as being transphobic is bullying.

Sadly large swathes of the autistic community are buying into this TRA bullshit and we’re being used as badges of inclusivity when in reality we’re being preyed upon as vulnerable and impressionable people to be moulded into an online army to do their fighting for them.

It was a lucky escape for your daughter. Sadly I’m unaware of any autism related groups on fb where this isn’t happening and i’d be interested to hear from others if they do know of safe groups for us.

Much nethuns style love to your daughter. May she stay strong and keep believing in herself.

Krakauer · 02/04/2018 21:56

OMG your poor DD. I am so angry on her and your behalf! Groups like this are supposed to be a safe place for marginalised groups to talk about their experiences ffs. What she said is perfectly reasonable. Hope she's ok Flowers

ALittleBitOfButter · 02/04/2018 21:56

Given 50% of trans people self identify as disabled there'll be a lot of this controlling and 'centering' going on.

theuntameableshrew · 02/04/2018 21:50

If it’s the Facebook group I’m thinking of one of the admins is trans Angry

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