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Self ID in other countries

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CisMyArse · 01/04/2018 22:24

Has it caused any issues? In Ireland, Malta etc? I think my resolve is wavering to be honest and for my own sanity, I'm finding myself stepping back but also thinking about countries where Self ID is legislated. If there aren't any reported problems, then our voices will be taken with an even smaller pinch of salt.

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SuitedandBooted · 01/04/2018 22:43

Looking at the advice here for the USA, it will be soon be very hard to tell if there are problems if this becomes the norm;

www.glaad.org/publications/consistent-respect-reporting-transgender-crime-suspects

ALittleAubergine · 01/04/2018 22:42

I've been trying to Google this several times but nothing is coming up. Would be good to know what issues it has caused. What protections were kept, what works, what doesn't work etc.

UpstartCrow · 01/04/2018 22:39

Reporting by Pink News on how women made the Women's March unsafe by wearing hats - (remember they had a BDSM trans dominatrix as their main speaker);
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/22/the-womens-march-was-made-unsafe-by-anti-trans-signs-and-pussy-hats/

Here's the same event reported by Feminist current;
www.feministcurrent.com/2018/01/22/vancouver-womens-march-becomes-opportunity-misogynist-threats-women/

Open letter concerning the conduct of a politician;
www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/10/open-letter-bc-ndp-regarding-conduct-bc-ndp-vice-president-morgane-oger/

RagingWoman · 01/04/2018 22:37

I have wondered similar as some ex-friends have ostracised me as a terf after telling me how well self-id has worked where they live in Canada.

The only concrete thing that comes up is that our Equality Act 2010 is unique in its protections and no other country has similar so the effect of self id in the UK is more far-reaching than elsewhere.

Can anyone explain this more coherently please?!

Pratchet · 01/04/2018 22:37

It also completely ignores a problem that will never ever be reported as it's incalculable. That is, women's trauma and distress, women not going for health screenings, women not going for sexual assault advice, rape crisis etc, women not leaving violent relationships because there is no longer a male free refuge.

miri1985 · 01/04/2018 22:34

It takes a while for stories about people taking advantage to come out.
Argentina has had it a while and this happened a few weeks ago

"Sergio, who was a divorced 59-year-old man, became Sergia under a law that allows a legal change of gender without undergoing sex reassignment surgery, the InformaSalta website reported.

In Argentina, women can retire at age 60, but men have to wait until they are 65.

"This is a clear case of abuse of misuse of retirement rights and of the law on gender identity," said Matias Assennato, the head of the Salta province civil registry."
www.nation.co.ke/news/world/Argentine-legally-changes-gender-to-retire-early/1068-4352176-6iecp2z/index.html

When things like that hit the media, it gives other people the balls to try it. Problems take a while to materialize but when theres literally no effort required apart from filling out a form people will of course take advantage

Pratchet · 01/04/2018 22:34

i don't know how any problems would be reported. If a country has self ID it's now legal to expose yourself, voyeur etc in women's spaces. In fact offences like indecent exposure should fall because why would you do it in public when it's still a crime and you risk arrest, when you can just go into a women's swim change?

Also it becomes a hate crime to report suspicious men in women's change areas - transphobia. So reports of problems would fall for that reason too.

Basically you've made a bunch of problems (crimes) legal, and you've made it impossible to report them. So why'd would you hear of any problems?

TIMoPLOP · 01/04/2018 22:33

I've wondered the same but when it comes down to it I think what matters is how it would work here. We've all encountered men. We all know how so many of them can behave and how they enjoy intimidating, mocking, belittling and dominating women. And we know to varying degrees the lengths abusive men will go to in order to gain access to the women they want to control, watch, film and/or attack. The awful fact is that many men despise women. That's enough reason to maintain female-only spaces.

That's not really answered your question, though, has it?!

BrandNewHouse · 01/04/2018 22:32

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UpstartCrow · 01/04/2018 22:29

Malta and Ireland are different cultures to the UK. Look at Canada, yes it is causing problems there for women. Its difficult to report as its illegal to say anything other than trans women are women.

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