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yetanothertranswoman · 01/04/2018 20:15

Fuck off fucking life up for those trans people trying to live our lives.

I heard about some of the stuff people like you got up to but I've had my eyes opened today. Seriously opened.

Stop talking about lady penises.
Stop saying you are a woman.
Stop demanding women be quiet when they raise concerns about what's happening.
Stop harassing woman online
Stop intimidating women trying to speak about their concerns.
Stop initimidating women trying to do a clothes swap.
Stop demanding access to female spaces and just saying "It will be ok"
Stop taking women's spaces as women's officers when you haven't got a fucking clue about life as a woman.

All you are fucking doing is making life more difficult for the rest of us and scaring the shit out of women.

Yes - trans people exist. Some of us have gender dysphoria which is bloody hard to live with. Some people just seem to think that putting on a skirt is enough to make you 'a woman'.

Are you capable of thinking about women and their concerns? All I've seen online is people saying it will be ok.

No - trans people are not the enemy. But there are some trans people and trans activists who scare the shit out of me with their demands and their behaviour.

I've tried to keep my head low and keep out of all this. But no more.

You don't speak for me and you don't speak for many trans people out there.

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ReappearingWoman · 21/04/2018 13:50

I'm placemarking to come back & read this, only skimmed so far & I want to take in all that's being said. Thanks OP, 👍

KateMiddleton1965 · 21/04/2018 13:00

He was found guilty of serious professional misconduct in her case as he treated her without a firm diagnosis and I do not believe that he did not harm her. She has recently posted on the Google reviews of Charing Cross GIC that she is socially isolated and often considers suicide as a way out. I can quite believe it as people in Falmouth used to unkindly call Rowe: “Les Dawson in drag”, “Widow Twanky” and the “Rowe creature” and nobody, including me, could understand why Reid was treating her.

However, Rowe was an adult who admitted lying to Reid in 1988, and I was a child when Khoosal drove me into a suicide attempt in 1982. There is no evidence that Reid was dishonest but there is a mass of evidence that Khoosal was systematically lying to other professionals throughout the time he was seeing me.

As he committed his offences in the context of hospital and boarding school, a lot of people were writing letters that he didn’t know about and so I have been able to construct a “Timeline and Commentary” which I have published with the relevant papers on the website.

There is also a confidential medical report written by Dr No (Dr Chris Sinclair) and two 2009 NHS Exposed articles by Dr Rita Pal as well as great deal of other material such as GMC internal documents.

As I explained to James Dingemans QC, (our senior prefect at Radley in 1982) some years ago during one of our conversations, I went to the authorities on the principle that we should all have the right to go to the doctor and be confident that he or she will be trustworthy and honest. James said, “nobody could disagree with that”. I wrote to James in 2008 on the recommendation of his old study mate Hamish Rattray who is a friend and has done far more for me than anyone else in spite of being in a far worse situation.

James did the legal analysis of the GRA 2004 for the Christian Institute and neither of us were favourably impressed with it as a piece of legislation. Maria Miller’s proposal to allow self- identification does not address the high levels of medical abuse identified in the “Transgender Equality” report. I wrote to her last year to identify myself and explain the situation and also telephoned her office; she has ignored it; the letter is on the website.

I am also publishing pathetic responses from “Baroness” Young of CQC and Alan Breadhead. MP. These people seem to believe that they are entitled to compensation with large amounts of cash for doing nothing. Maria Miller is a prime example of this laziness and incompetence.

I have mentioned Dr Michael Haslam and Dr William Kerr before. Haslam and Kerr sexually abused a lot of women in North Yorkshire in their roles as “psychiatrists” and the Labour government had an Inquiry in 1997, which concluded it could easily happen again. No action was taken on the recommendations and, in fact, support has been taken away.

Outraged at these disgusting men abusing their positions, I went to the authorities about Khoosal over ten years ago not just seeking justice for myself but for those who cannot speak for themselves and the evidence has been deliberately ignored and suppressed.

This man has had decades of access to the vulnerable people in our society, including children, and the authorities have deliberately privileged his right to practice medicine over the right of British citizens to be given competent and safe care. Ultimately, this violent man was given the enormous privilege of a medical education in Belfast and Oxford and he has used it to systematically harm a vulnerable and misunderstood section of the population.

Since I went to the police in 2007, it has come to light that we have had gangs of sexual criminals, often of Asian background, raping, torturing and even murdering teenage girls all over the country with their cries for help being ignored. That’s apart from Saville, Harris et al. I can’t even start to express how angry and upset this makes me. If we cannot protect our children then there is no future.

I have the utmost respect for women, mums and feminists and one reason that I am still here was having the good fortune to be introduced in 1996 to a good friend of mine, the late Gabrielle Shepard, who was a mother of three daughters, and a solicitor specialising in family law. Gay advised me not to pursue this back in 2007 and to “be a happy lady” but I felt that I had to do it as a question of integrity. I wonder what she would say about self-identification.

You suggested in your post that having surgery was the “ultimate commitment”. In fact, it is a fairly routine procedure these days and lots of people have done it; including people like Paula Rowe who should probably had lots of counselling instead. It was deeply inevitable for me and I knew it was in my future when I heard about Renee Richards playing at Wimbledon in 1977.

It is boring and frustrating to read media stories about middle-aged married men with small children spending their inheritance on having a sex change and arguing that they are women because they like cooking and housework; it’s an embarrassment as well as being incredibly stupid and lacking in insight.

In fact, I made the ultimate commitment in St George’s Chapel. Lincoln Cathedral in the summer of 2009. Major Charles Ferguson Hoey VC MC is my first cousin, once removed, and his name is carved on the altar rail in the chapel. I thought of Charlie Hoey’s reported last words on 16th February 1944 – “It is of vital importance to us we capture the objective and we will do it whatever the cost” – and made an oath to pursue my own objectives regardless of the personal cost.

As I have explained to James Dingemans, the objective is a practical demonstration of Luke 12, which I read from the King James Bible in front of the altar rail as well as “To My Son” by his mother, Mary Hoey. That scripture is a warning against hypocrisy and you don’t have to be a Christian to think that people who abuse children or commit other offences being exposed later is a good ideal

I last spoke to James last Mayday. It was the thirty-fifth anniversary of my housemaster at Radley, John Doulton, writing a six-page letter of protest to my father and making the generous offer of £5 because he felt that seeing my girlfriend Jane helped me to survive at Radley. His letter is on the website and you can see him in episode 6 of "Public School (1980) on my utube.

I said to James that there is an important principle at stake here: do something excellent for a child which comes to light years later and you get a nice bottle of whisky on your doorstep; do something evil and get a nasty surprise on your doorstep.

In 2009, I never imagined that I would still be battling to bring the truth to light. So few professionals seem to care about protecting children; it’s nasty, cruel and selfish and it hurts my heart to think about it.

I had just sailed to Wild Cat Island after re-reading Swallows and Amazons; that’s the joke at the heart of my life; Nancy Blackett, Amazon pirate, was my first role model at the age of seven!

I want the children to have that too and they have been asking me for it for years.That's one of my many battles. As I put it in my last PTSD suicide diary entry in 1982, "Life is not a toy to tamper with at will. It consists of objectives of varying importance ....

And here's Con McGrath's 2015 article in Irelands Own about Major CF Hoey VC partly based on my research

www.clyde1924.plus.com/jts_hoey/pdf/cf_hoey.pdf

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To any trans activists reading this forum
To any trans activists reading this forum
To any trans activists reading this forum
KateMiddleton1965 · 21/04/2018 12:46

@CharlieParley

Thank you for your kind welcome to the forum. You raise so many excellent points that it is hard to know where to start in my response.

Unfortunately the GRA and Equality Act have made not the slightest difference to my life. The authorities and TRAs continue to attempt to bully, silence and ignore me.
But, as you point out, this is the way that women and girls are treated and I am working very hard to change that regardless of the personal cost.

So although it is obviously realistic to accept that our experiences are very different, it does not mean that we do not have experiences and interests in common. As you put it: “Live and let live. Together – peacefully, happily, productively”. That is why I am here.

I am certainly not here to stop you talking about female biology as the basis of women's oppression.

I wonder if you have read "The Wise Wound: Eve's Curse and Everywoman" (1978) by Peter Redgrove and Penelope Shuttle?

If not, I highly recommend it and have a habit of handing out copies to people.

In the autumn of 1988, I told Peter my story in his book- lined study in Falmouth and he gazed into the intersection between the ceiling and wall and said mysteriously, "I think you will go through hell and then you will be a wise woman and you will be able to do the same work I do; on the principle of the wounded healing the wounded".

I well remember leaving his cottage by the docks and looking out over the harbour thinking about what he had said. I couldn't imagine how anything could be worse than my previous experiences but it was a huge inspiration to think that I could one day be helpful to other people.

In 2003, after going through hell, I came across "The Wise Wound" in Oxfam during my lunch hour. At the time I was actually working as a temporary University learning support assistant, which was not something that I would have necessarily have chosen but was a most interesting experience and a story in itself.

I thought that, as I had met Peter, I ought to read "The Wise Wound". It was an absolute revelation. I had always felt that the "psychiatrists" with whom I had had the misfortune to come into contact had not the slightest insight into my personality or motivations and every single one of them has harmed me in one way or the other.

It was amazing to realise that this was (and I would argue) still is, generally true of women's encounters with "psychiatrists" and there is a particularly relevant chapter on "witchcraft" in which Redgrove and Shuttle argue, with Thomas Szasz, that the language and diagnostic approach used by male psychoanalysts in modern mental hospitals follows the same pattern as used on women in medieval witch hunts.

I have personal experience of being persecuted and abused by these people since 1982 when I went to the school doctor, Dr RT Thorne, at Radley College and explained to him that I had known that I was a girl rather than a boy from the age of seven.

Everything that I am going to write now can be substantiated from documents and medical records that I have published on my “Private Investigations” website after a battle for justice which has now continued for over thirty-five years: www.kate-middleton-private-investigations.uk/

In 2013, Earl Howe stated in the House of Lords that any abuse of a patient is unacceptable and the Government expect all cases of abuse to be fully investigated by the providing authorities; my case is one of those the GMC were supposedly investigating and is one of the thirty-nine cases mentioned in paragraph 176 of Maria Miller’s “Transgender Equality” report and is almost certainly the one mentioned in paragraph 179 as the “allegations related to incidents occurring too long ago”.

My case is particularly significant as Dr Deenesh Khoosal is now media spokesman for the Royal College of Psychiatrists on patients whom he describes, in professional presentations, as “she –men” and “gender benders” and there is a raft of contemporary complaints about him being a “nasty”, “cruel”, “old fashioned patriarchal binary sociopath” with “no place in a twentieth-century gender identity clinic” on Reddit.

I was his first patient/victim just after my seventeenth birthday in 1982 when I was an A Level student at Radley College, the boarding school outside Oxford.

Some of the boys in G Social (house) had been very understanding when I confided in them and asked how they could help. I said that I needed information and people told me about April Ashley and Jan Morris.

John Scriven produced a magazine article about Caroline “Tula” Cossey, the Bond girl, and everyone was very impressed. I well remember someone saying, “This makes sense! Maybe you could be a Bond girl?”

We agreed that if I was going to be a Bond girl, I should start with highlights and John and I dyed my hair in his study with a kit from Boots. It went horribly wrong and I ended up walking across campus in my black and white Mary Quant legwarmers with people shouting things like: “oy! F…king hell. It’s Cindy!” This was still better than being called gay which I hated because it was inaccurate.

I went to the school doctor, Dr Richard Thorne, and explained my situation at the suggestion of Revd Coulton, the Radley chaplain.

I well remember thinking that Thorne might arrange for me to talk to a nice woman about my feelings and future plans, as I had nobody to talk to in that all male institution; I hated being in an all male school, a fact repeatedly recorded in writing at the time and well as the fact that I had been bullied.

But I had stayed on because I wanted to get my A levels and either do something to do with boats or do English at uni and then “do something intellectual”. This is what I wanted to talk to someone about; it was obvious to me at that age that this was about getting a life and not just an operation.

Unfortunately, Dr Thorne referred me to Dr Kenyon in the Warneford hospital (formerly known as the Oxford Lunatic Asylum) for counselling on 15/11/82 explaining more than once in his referral that I was "rather upset and vulnerable" and completely unable to confide in my parents.

On 17/11/82, I came face to face with Dr Deenesh Khoosal, a junior registrar, who (in his own words) had "no personal experience". By his own estimation, there was no sign of anxiety, depression or suicidality when he got his hands on me.

The agreement with the school was that I would be provided with "expert counselling over sexuality" and I told Khoosal that I was "frightened over what to do" and wanted to be referred to a specialist and further information about my medical situation.

I told him about Jan Morris and April Ashley and he recorded their names in his notes. I told him that it would be "irresponsible" to have an immediate operation and he recorded that I would "want" to live as a woman for a year first.

And I told him about the problem with my parents who never listened to me. This put me in a totally vulnerable position as I was legally a child and had no control whatsoever over what was happening to me.

Khoosal then proceeded to take advantage of the situation for reasons that only he can fully explain.

Apart from the Gestapo style sexual interrogations, on the 25th November, he frogmarched me to an isolated ward on the second floor of the hospital and forced me to take off my clothes and lie on a bed so he could manipulate my genitals and give me orders on single-hand sexual activities; he recorded in writing that he had done this.

Alex Renton has recently written an excellent book entitled "Stiff Upper Lip: Secrets, Crimes and the Schooling of a Ruling Class" and his chapter on Maurice the pedophile is the first time that I have read about other children having a similar experience of seeming to float up to the ceiling whilst being subjected to unconsented touching by an adult in a position of trust.

In law, any unconsented touching is an assault and it is recognised in law that it can lead to personal injury through psychological/psychiatric damage. As I was a child, he needed permission from the school in loco parentis or my parents before touching my genitals. Alternatively, if I were considered competent to consent then I had made my expectations entirely clear; further information and a specialist referral.

Twenty five years later, I explained to DS Viv Wilson of Hampshire Police, who took my witness statement, that I found Ralf Feines's portrayal of Amon Goth, the Auschwitz Camp commandant, in the film Schlinder's list, particularly distressing as it reminded me of Khoosal's behaviour towards me in the Warneford.

At the time that I made my statement, I had forgotten writing a suicide diary in instalments in my study at Radley starting on 29th November. It came to light in the internal hospital records in 2008 after my CID witness statement went to Thames Valley. That diary is written evidence of the injuries he inflicted on me and I identified his sexual interrogations, in writing, as "mental torture"; this is legally accurate.

On 30th November, I went to the dentist in Summertown, Oxford and bought the new Dire Straits album "Love over Gold" in a record shop in Little Clarendon Street and wrote my diary while listening to Mark lecturing his female protagonists in Love over Gold and the dark masterpiece “It Never Rains” as well as “Private Investigations”: “confidential information/ it’s in a diary/ this is my investigation/not a public inquiry”. …”

(Dire Straits played “Love over Gold” on Top of the Pops on 26th November; I wonder if Jimmy Saville presented it?)

My time at Radley ended on the evening of 6th December 1982 with a suicide attempt by overdose in my study as a direct effect of this violent man's behaviour towards me. Khoosal recorded this as a “major explosion” in his notes.

He then made a raft of specious allegations about how I was obviously "very disturbed" and needing "psychiatric therapy" as well as engaging in manipulative behaviour designed to get expelled from school. The allegations were recorded in letters written by Dr Anthony Storr on 7/12/82 and my housemaster, John Doulton on 8/12/82.

I told my father that I disputed the contents of these letters but he didn't give me the chance to explain what had actually happened. He sent these letters based on completely false information from an unqualified, ignorant, violent and thoroughly dishonest man to Dr Rowntree, senior medical advisor to the Foreign Office, with a letter saying that I had "claimed" that I was "victimised".

On 19th January 1983, Khoosal met my parents as well as subjecting me to further sexual interrogations. I told him that my father had "sudden tempers as part of his condition" [narcissism] and that I found my parents "boring" and that they couldn't understand my desire to be "trendy".

After meeting my father, Khoosal wrote another arrogant letter to Dr Thorne claiming that the "prognosis" was "pretty pessimistic" in view of my father's "spare the rod, spoil the child" attitude, his unwillingness to change his approach and his lack of insight; hypocrisy in the extreme in view of his own behaviour towards me.

So by the time I was seventeen, Khoosal had not only inflicted injuries from which I will never recover and have never had any constructive assistance from the medical profession but also destroyed my reputation and employment prospects with entirely false allegations of psychiatric problems.

I went on trying to report what he had done to me for decades but it was not until 2004 that I was able to finally get access to my GP records and my mother handed over a large file of documents and correspondence which I didn't know existed.

In 2005, I googled his name and discovered that Khoosal had taken up this area of medicine after committing his offences against me as a child and had a reputation for being "fearsome", "extremely arrogant", "deceptively chatty" and "extremely uncaring". I burst into tears and was described as "inconsolable" over the next three days as I thought of all the others he must have abused.

Then I rang the GMC and reported him but nothing was done.

I reported him to the police on March 26th 2007 during Dr Russell Reid's GMC hearings. Russell saved my life on 14th January 1988 with a prescription for oestrogen and a note saying I was under his care. He saved it for the second time in January 1991 with a free appointment and referral to the magician Fay Presto. I have a picture of the three of us at a Brotherhood of Magicians annual dinner dance that year on my website.

In 2007, Reid's patients set up a blog, which has 470 testimonies on it with many people saying that he saved their lives.

I went to see him at the GMC in 2007 because one of the patients used against him was Paula Rowe aka "patient b" who I knew fairly well in Falmouth from January 1987 onwards. She is mentioned in Reid’s letter to my GP of 14/1/1988 though not by name.

Rowe features in such stories as "Trapped in Gender Limbo" by David Batty which remains on The Guardian website in spite of being proven to be untrue at the GMC in 2007; Rowe has not detransitioned but is legally female. Rowe also features in “Mistaken Identity” (2004) and other articles by David Batty in 2006/2007 as “patient B” and can be seen from David Batty’s reports the GMC concluded that Reid did not harm her.

(Continued in part 2)

To any trans activists reading this forum
To any trans activists reading this forum
To any trans activists reading this forum
TheGirlWhoWasntThere · 17/04/2018 23:18

Yetanother Flowers

I can only imagine how stressful this situation is for you right now. We are living in very dark times.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 17/04/2018 22:28

Yet Flowers
JC I really appreciated your post on another thread where someone was speaking for you/telling you what to think Flowers

MadBadDaddy · 17/04/2018 18:12

I agree with everything you say. Thank you so much for posting it.

Clinicalwaste · 17/04/2018 17:44

Here here yet another. I do appreciate your posts on this issue. Thankyou 💐

ArtemisRhodes · 17/04/2018 09:33

HairyBall

It's becoming absolutely crucial that we do the one thing they don't want us to do! That is, make a clear distinction between transsexual and transgender.

We've coexisted happily with TS for decades. They like women and want to be one, act like one and fit in with us and our ways, and have us accept them.

SmurfNotTerff · 16/04/2018 23:14

justanother Wine Flowers
jaycee Wine Flowers
truscum Wine Flowers
kate Wine Flowers
Thank you all for your informative posts

HairyBallTheorem · 16/04/2018 23:13

Yet I very much hope most people don't. I certainly know lovely transpeople in RL, who wouldn't dream of behaving like this. Wouldn't even know how to behave like this. It's like the difference between the wide variety of Muslims I know in RL, very nice and interesting people with a wide range of life experiences and interests, and the tiny minority of Islamicist nutters.

The reason women are so scared by the extreme TRAs though is an important difference in how the two extremist groups are regarded by those with political power. Despite the crazed rantings of the Daily Mail, the Islamicist nutters aren't going to get Shariah law introduced in a million years. The TRAs, in contrast, seem to be about 90% of the way towards removing women's rights entirely.

Voice0fReason · 16/04/2018 23:11

Thank you yetanother Flowers

yetanothertranswoman · 16/04/2018 22:47

Thanks - I listened to India on the radio this morning and it was so predictable.

Just like Jane Fae last week.

It's so hard to listen to these people. I hope that people don't judge a community by the action of some people from that community - but they do form an impression.

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HairyBallTheorem · 16/04/2018 22:42

Thanks, yetanother - as always, your comments are so sane and measured.

yetanothertranswoman · 16/04/2018 22:13

And so today looks like a good day to bump this message.

India - if you're reading this - just playback the recording and think how you came across.

I know there are comments on here you don't like. But there are also many women who have concerns about self ID. When you start saying "I am a woman" all the time, talking over people in arguments and not listening to other people, people just turn off and turn against you.

You've got a platform. You've been on CBB and get to go on TV shows. But unfortunately, those transwomen with platforms don't seem to want to build bridges between communities. It's all barriers.

And Julia - if you're reading this. There are transwomen who do also have concerns over self ID. But we don't have a platform. We just try to live our lives as we always have. Without putting our heads above the parapets. We don't get heard and for a long time, we haven't wanted to be heard. Maybe we need to be heard.

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NoSquirrels · 13/04/2018 22:48

@CharlieParley
Powerful post. I agree wholeheartedly.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 13/04/2018 22:35

Hi kate Flowers
Everything Charlie said Star

AngryAttackKittens · 13/04/2018 21:30

And it's telling, isn't it? I disagree with Katie Hopkins on almost every issue, but it would never occur to me to tell her that she's not a woman because she holds opinions that I consider terrible, or threaten to do various unpleasant things to her if she doesn't shut up. Certainly I'd never come up with an term like "truscum" to describe women whose views I disagree with.

ZERF · 13/04/2018 21:20

Thankskate

Jayceedove · 13/04/2018 20:58

Charlie is right Kate. Just be prepared because you will get some of this back from the trans activists. I have since posting on here over the past few weeks. They can be sadly rather quick to define an enemy as anyone who does not agree with what they want.

CharlieParley · 13/04/2018 18:49

Kate welcome to the forum and thank you for giving such personal insight into your story Flowers. It sounds quite similar to that of other transsexuals who transitioned many years ago and I honestly hope it is no longer this difficult and that the EA and the GRA have helped in keeping you safe.

You are right to be upset. Prior to becoming aware of this debate (mostly thanks to the no platforming of feminist speakers and the assault on Maria Mac at Speakers Corner) I would never have argued with anyone about who people are.

And I still won't with those who I actually know IRL, especially not with a transsexual who's made the ultimate commitment to have surgery. It's such a scary thing to do, I can't imagine anyone does it for shits and giggles. And I won't do it with genderqueer or non-binary or trans people either. Coz I've never given a toss about people's identities. I care about what people do and always, always want to know why they do what they do.

Live and let live. Together - peacefully, happily, productively.

Your rights and mine, respected.

Now though I find myself in a world, where women are silenced, our concerns are not just ignored but called hateful and bigoted. Where women and girls are no longer even allowed to set their own boundaries (not that they were ever respected, but at least it was accepted that we had a right to set them). My biology is a social construct. My pain imaginary, I suppose.

I wouldn't have denied you use of the word woman to describe yourself or the way you live your life before I became aware of this conflict. And I won't now because you do not deny that we are different. Equal but different. And you're not denying reality, you're not asking me to stop talking about female biology as the basis of women's oppression.

Transsexuals and women have co-existed peacefully for decades. This covenant based on mutual respect and trust is being broken by trans activists though.

That's why, when I debate this issue with those trans activists who tell me I'm a menstruator not a woman, a breastfeeding parent not a mum, a TERF not a feminist, I will not ever accept or accede that transwomen are women where material reality is concerned.

Maybe this is too subtle or pointless a difference, maybe it's unhelpful or selfish, but that's where I have arrived at.

You are welcome. TRAs are not.

KateMiddleton1965 · 13/04/2018 18:33

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Thank you for the friendly welcome.

I totally agree that we need to be clear about sex based protections and that is what this really about; sex not "gender".

The distinction between the two was invented by psychiatrists like Professor John Money and Robert Stoller who wrote, in Sex and Gender (1969) that sex is biological and gender is "psychological" or "social"

That distinction was partly made to explain people like me and doesn't make sense in the same way that the Gender Recognition Act 2004 enables people to change the sex on their birth certificate.

The whole matter is complex and holistic as it isn't possible to separate psychology from biology.

KateMiddleton1965 · 13/04/2018 18:10

It would be hard for anyone with any sense to draw the conclusion from the Women and Equality report that the real problem that needs to be addressed is being able to change your birth certificate online on the basis of self -identification.

There are all kind of things in life where one has to prove one's identity or competence to the authorities. I see no reason why this most basic aspect of one's identity should be any different.

It might be that the system might need reforming and it might be the case that there will be no problem if the Government do this but I would like to see the evidence. All the evidence that I have seen so far suggests that this is very problematic and likely to be dangerous.

Jayceedove · 13/04/2018 17:54

Kate, welcome on here. I think you will find some friendly company.

I did PM you about your first message as I did not want to reply with personal chat about my direct experience of John Randall (who was my psychiatrist for 5 years in the 1970s so I got to know him quite well and we talked about his court case evidence and why he gave it).

It can be a bit self centred if you do that too much on what is a Feminist Chat forum so, after being told off a few times, I decided to not do it on here this time. Hence the PM instead.

But I think we certainly have shared a few experiences - though you are a decade or so younger than me. Jan Morris was even a major help to my family when I was transitioning and they were scared.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 13/04/2018 17:37

Flowers Kate

It sounds as though you have had some very difficult experiences. I agree that nobody should be a 'non-person in the eyes of the law'.

Most of us here would agree with your point that it is the conflation of different groups under the trans 'umbrella' that is causing all this distress and potential harm. Unfortunately we feel we need to be much clearer about sex-based differences and the definitions of 'woman' and 'female' than we ever had to be in the past, since these definitions are now being broadened to the point of risking all our sex-based protections. This is harming us and it's harming you as well. I'm so sorry about that.

KateMiddleton1965 · 13/04/2018 15:17

The OP has written "stop saying you are a woman". I would argue that people should be able to say whatever they like but it doesn't mean that other people have to agree and it is realistic to acknowledge that there are differences.

On the evening of 15 November 1982, when I was seventeen, I had a final interview with Warden Dennis Silk of St Peter's College, Radley in his personal study.

Dennis gave me a glass of sherry and asked me what the problems were.

I made three chief points:

"The public school system is unfair, Sir! Why should I get this education and not someone else? I don't even like it here."

Dennis conceded the point and in fact makes the point that the education system is divisive in episode three of the BBC documentary "Public school 1980" which was filmed in 1979 during the general elections. I have this on my utube channel and get a highly ironic mention during the parent's meeting at 16:45

My second point was that the bullying of [a certain foreign student] was disgraceful and someone should have done something to stop it.

Dennis said that he had been offered the chance to leave after O level.

My third point was that I had known that I was a girl rather than a boy from the age of seven and was jolly well going to be a woman when I grew up and nobody would be able to stop me.

Dennis said, "I've met Jan Morris. Charming woman. Charming. Very interesting having you around the place.

It was most inspiring at the time that Dennis, who had taught me English the year before and knew my abilities better than anyone else, said it was OK and I can well remember feeling exhilarated as I left his study.

At that time, my objective was to gather information and seek medical/adult/ support and further information so I could eventually have surgery at the age of twenty-one after making a fully informed choice.

It was always obvious to me that solving my personal medical problem was about getting a life and not just an operation. I knew it was going to be a complex, difficult and dangerous process but I thought it would be worth it in order to be myself.

I don't think that calling myself a woman, whilst acknowledging my past, is hurting anyone else. After all, the British Government issued me with a new birth certificate back in 2006 and I have been accepted in the way I see myself to the extent of being invited to a women's group years ago ( it never actually happened) and an initially all female prayer group back in 2007 . I felt honoured to be included and it was the choice of the people involved.