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Corbyn ally urges: 'Thump a feminist'

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OldCrone · 01/04/2018 15:35

Article in the Mail

Sophia Botha, a transsexual man who identifies as a woman, shockingly claimed it was justified to ‘thump’ Terfs – a derogatory term for feminists who do not recognise transsexual women as genuinely female.

Ms Botha said hitting Terfs – it stands for Trans-exclusionary radical feminist – was a form of ‘self-defence’.

On an internet blog titled ‘Is it ever justified to thump Terfs?’ she said: ‘Considering Terfs want to exterminate all trans women from the planet any violence directed at Terfs by trans women or trans allies is very much a means of self-defence.’

The article is tagged onto the end of this article about trains.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5565999/Row-female-compartments-transgender-people-pits-Churchills-grandson-against-Mumsnet.html

I'm stunned that a national newspaper has printed what appears to be an incitement to violence against feminists, along with the totally false claim that feminists want to 'exterminate all trans women'.

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OldCrone · 02/04/2018 17:55

so, just to clarify, did Brian Paddick appear to think that someone not accepting the concept of 'trans' was equivalent to wanting trans people dead????
It would seem so, if that's all anyone has found. Someone should direct him to terfisaslur.com to show him what real threats of violence look like.

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newtlover · 02/04/2018 14:07

so, just to clarify, did Brian Paddick appear to think that someone not accepting the concept of 'trans' was equivalent to wanting trans people dead????

AstraiaLiberty · 02/04/2018 12:44

Old Crime, over on Twitter Posie Parker messaged Brian Paddock saying nobody had ever said they wanted Trans people dead. He came straight back with a tweet from some horror saying precisely that. There are some appalling people out there, let's not forget.

I know that this specific situation has been clarified already, but I've been asking TRAs the same thing - which feminists want trans people dead? What I got back was selective misquoting of Linda Bellos, a cartoon of a pink-haired woman wearing a bloodstained vest with 'I punch transactivists' written on it, with no indication of who had drawn it, and a link to this teenage Russian radfem - redkatherinee.tumblr.com/tagged/radical-feminism

If you scroll down far enough, I do think some of her work is distasteful. But if those are truly the worst examples they can come up with? The hyperbole about 'extermination' is incredibly absurd.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 02/04/2018 12:12

Oh, sorry @AncientLights I missed the apology. My apologies! Flowers

AncientLights · 02/04/2018 11:50

Ellenripley, it was my error for which I have apologised. I can do no more except remove myself from here.

PaddyF0dder · 02/04/2018 11:22

Never read the mail.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 02/04/2018 11:18

Old Crime, over on Twitter Posie Parker messaged Brian Paddock saying nobody had ever said they wanted Trans people dead. He came straight back with a tweet from some horror saying precisely that.

The person Brian Paddick refers to DID NOT say that they wanted all trans people dead, or exterminated or that they didn't want them to exist or whatever.

They said 'I dont acknowledge the existence of trans'. That is very obviously saying that they reject the concept that you can change sex and go from being a man to a woman ie transwomen are not women.

Nothing about harming anyone, nothing about fucking 'exterminating' anyone. The hyperbole around this is ridiculous.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 02/04/2018 11:07

So many red flags you could make bunting...

Sorry but this made me Grin

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 02/04/2018 11:06

Or there will be several videos to take of a group of anarchists kicking off in a public place around children and families for no discernible reason to the general public, which will then be examined on tv, in the national press and in court.

See, you would think. But look what happened when that TRA hijacked Rose McGowan's book appearance about her own sexual abuse. She got loads of shit for not fawning to him and getting him removed, even though he was acting totally out of order. Just because he was trans.

AncientLights · 02/04/2018 10:37

A gender you are correct. I have found the screenshot. My mind is befuddled by having read too many horrible things. My apologies.

BastardGingerCat · 02/04/2018 09:39

I find the use of "choke" by Sophia and many TRA to be really chilling - isn't choking a woman the biggest indicator of later murder attempts? So many red flags you could make bunting...

agender · 02/04/2018 05:36

That is a gross misrepresentation.

The person said NOTHING of the kind.

twitter.com/brianpaddick/status/979237231054524417

'Except this one who DM’d me: “Hello Brian, I'm a feminist, a lesbian and I don't acknowledge the existence of trans. Contact me if you fancy a chat
Regards ...”'

AncientLights · 02/04/2018 01:30

Old Crone & Sunset Beach, I don't recall any kind of affiliation mentioned but then it's 1.30am at the mo and I will be having nightmares about this wretched business. I will see if I can find it tomorrow. Or rather later today. Night all.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 02/04/2018 01:26

I’m tempted to report them to the police.

thebewilderness · 02/04/2018 00:38

Also why do they always say that "TERFS" want to exterminate them? Where has that ever been said?

If you do not share their belief that it is possible to change from one sex to the other then you are denying their existence and therefore exterminating them.
Transgender identity disorder is the only mental illness that has been treated with affirmation rather than the ways every other delusional disorder is treated. This is the result.

AnotherQuoll · 01/04/2018 21:46

I've seen some of that Botha guys tweets before. He's clearly unhinged. "Exterminate"... Really?

OldCrone · 01/04/2018 21:08

AncientLights
Do you have a link to that tweet? Was it someone who said they were a feminist? Even if it was it's a far cry from all 'TERFs' wanting to exterminate transwomen.
Old Crime Grin

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SunsetBeetch · 01/04/2018 21:07

Was the person a feminist, AncientLights ?

AncientLights · 01/04/2018 21:01

Old Crime, over on Twitter Posie Parker messaged Brian Paddock saying nobody had ever said they wanted Trans people dead. He came straight back with a tweet from some horror saying precisely that. There are some appalling people out there, let's not forget.

Truscum · 01/04/2018 18:23

I particularly take heart from this delightful tweet...

Corbyn ally urges: 'Thump a feminist'
Tackytriceratops · 01/04/2018 18:16

This is evidence of the similarity between the way antisemitism has been handled in the Labour Party and the self id issue.

Ignore. Don't tackle.

Interestingly, in an article about Eddie Iz in the guardian, it comments on a investigative report by the times into 20 LP Facebook groups that uncovered 'racism, misogyny, antisemitism.'

The Sunday Times reported that a two-month investigation into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups – headed by We Support Jeremy Corbyn, which has 67,000 members – had uncovered more than 2,000 racist, antisemitic, misogynist, violent and abusive messages.
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The paper said 12 Labour staffers working for Corbyn or McDonnell were members of these groups. But it did not provide evidence of any of them posting or supporting offensive messages, and a Labour source said the staff members identified by the paper were adamant they had not seen offensive material of the kind flagged up by the Sunday Times.*

I'd be interested to know if the Times would link this mail article to their research.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/01/stain-of-antisemitism-must-be-removed-from-labour-says-eddie-izzard?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

R0wantrees · 01/04/2018 18:02

(have NC) There are some TRA accounts which repeat this belief and reinforce it constantly.... I believe in some cases deliberately to fuel fears and cause further divisions. Some people who are transgender will be incredibly vulnerable and susceptible believing this for very good reasons.
( I have similarly grave concerns about how frequently suicide is talked about)

yetanothertranswoman · 01/04/2018 17:39

Is this person still a disability officer for Labour?

If so, someone should really read their blog. And twitter feed.

OldCrone · 01/04/2018 17:31

Also why do they always say that "TERFS" want to exterminate them? Where has that ever been said?
It hasn't. Has anyone on twitter reported that tweet? Even if twitter hates feminists they do have rules about threats of violence. Or am I being naive here?

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TerfsUp · 01/04/2018 17:20

Hah, kneedeep. I remember that. IIRC, the directive was also for TRAs to cover their faces but for their bodyguards to keep their faces exposed.