Eddie Flipping Izzard

Wow... that excerpt shows such incredible self-absorption and lack of any attempt to see this incident from the POV of these three girls.

I used to like Izzard too, but telling that story as if it was something to be proud of ...urgh.

If he'd had the guts to use the men's loos (he did not, and AFAIK does not actually claim to be a woman so wtf entitled him to think it was ok to use the ladies?) and had been harassed by 3 teenage boys, maybe he'd have had a story.

They're not seen in the wrong because they happened to be present in the female public toilet, LostArt.

I never actually described anyone other than Christine Shawcroft as being 'in the wrong', but assuming that your post was directed at me, I certainly don't see 3 teenage girls pursuing a transvestite across London shouting “Hey, why are you dressed as a woman?” as ideal behaviour, no. It certainly doesn't suggest they felt the least bit intimidated by him. If I was scared by finding a man in the public loos, I wouldn't follow him home to demand he explained his clothing choices to me.

I actually find the fact that you think that in this exchange, those teenage girls were 'in the right' purely by virtue of their age and gender a little worrying.

I don't think you do those of us who are opposing self-certification any favours at all. There are plenty of good examples that make the point I think you might cackhandedly be trying to make. Attacking a politician on the very day he takes over from another politician in an extremely charged political atmosphere on grounds that frankly sound a bit ridiculous makes you sound like a political shill, rather than someone with a serious point to make about self-certification.

It's an odd world when an adult man undressess in a female public toilet and the girls present are seen as in the wrong.

You can put a man in a dress but you can't take the Y out of his genes.

I'm sure Labour has better people than both Shawcroft - who appears to have a long history of trouble-making and sounds probably the least suitable person alive to chair a Labour internal disputes panel (see labourlist.org/2015/05/nec-member-christine-shawcroft-suspended-for-continued-lutfur-rahman-support/ and www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/commons-confidential-momentum-s-christine-shawcroft-loses-comrades-furious - and a celebrity comedian.

That these are the people who get chosen to lead Labour's ruling body points to a problem within Labour - decent, hard-working and long-standing Labour people are being marginalised right now.

Camper - it has to be between those two because Izzard was the next one on the list in terms of votes for the NEC - don't take it up with me, take it up with Labour members who voted for him. I didn't.

But the alternative to him is Shawcroft, and as posted, I think what she did actually falls into the category of 'morally evil', rather than just 'ill-advised' or 'thoughtless', which I guess Izzard using the ladies' loos back in 1980 something or whenever it was, when this wasn't really an issue people talked or thought about, is rather an example of.

As I said, his description of shouting back, “You want to know why I’m wearing a dress? I’ll tell you why.” sounds quite reasonably to me - he was being followed by three girls, all mocking him publicly. Was he supposed to just continue being unable to go home, walking in circles for hours, while they continued? I think his words sound quite reasonable and measured in that context.

Exactly ReluctantCamper Labour should be able to do so much better.

incorrigiblyplural

Why are you ignoring the fact a man was in the female toilets?? He had no business being in there, these girls were children ffs!

As there's no Christine Shawcroft thread, I'll just post on here that given a choice for Labour's NEC (which I suspect sparked this thread) between the person who conspired to ensure that a Holocaust-denier was chosen as a Labour candidate and someone who chose to change clothes in a ladies public loo while dressed as a woman and shouted at three girls following him and publicly mocking him, I'll go for Eddie Izzard.

And FYI, I am strongly in favour of MN's stance on self-ID and I'm a woman, but if 3 teenage girls were following me and mocking my clothes, I'd probably be inclined to shout at them to piss off too.

At the moment, I'm just deeply relieved there is one less voice standing up for anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers at the top of Labour. Though of course Shawcroft is still a member, despite calls to expel her...

I think he contributed to thousands of undecideds voting for Brexit because of his hectoring performance on Question Time just before the Referendum. Utter tool.

Except from 'Believe Me'. I don't Eddie. Your story is a lie.

#LabourLosingWomen

I've always thought he was an attention-seeking twat.

I despair of Labour.

I do too

I honestly think his anecdote about the teenage girls is made up. Doesn't ring true.

I heard him recount this story on Loose Ends on radio 4. All the other guests, men and women, chuckling along at the humiliation of these teenage girls. The whole story and reaction really solidified to me how much teenage girls are hated. (Which I also see a lot as a secondary teacher running school trips). Screaming evil bitches scaring the nice vulnerable trans person. I would hazard a guess they were working class girls (therefore even more hate-worthy) as naice middle class girls would have probably swallowed their anger and confusion and turned it in on themselves.

Awww I was watching his stand up routine at the Reading Festival in the 90s when he 'came out' as a transvestite. I thought he was ace then. What the hell happened?

Here's an older thread about Eddie Izzard with some interesting thoughts and arguements -

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2959353-Eddie-Izzard

I used to love him as a comic before he got TV famous.
I think he's just a twat now and this kind of shit for brains thinking just confirms it.

*Terfmore
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What are people saying? What's the issue with him being in this role?

(I'm assuming they're not aware that he feels empowered by scaring teenage girls in public toilets?)

I used to love him but I can't stick him now.

Boo hoo, Eddie.

Cry me a fucking river, Eddie

This will end his career right???