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Transactivists close down clothes swap

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DrRadFem · 01/04/2018 08:43

www.facebook.com/events/1192659824170075/permalink/1197709540331770/

I've been organising free clothes swaps in south east London since 2013. Attended mainly, but not exclusively, by women and their children, they are fun events that save money and the environment and strengthen and enrich the community.

The Birds Nest thebirdsnestpub.com/ have hosted many of our swaps in their back room. I am also a regular customer at the pub.

I had planned an event there next Friday 6th April. However, a local transactivist came on to the event page a few days ago and threatened to disrupt it (see attached screenshot).

I asked the managers to have a word with this man (also a regular customer) and to ban him from the event to ensure our safety. However, their response was to immediately cancel our event and to take no action on the man.

I'm extremely upset on a personal level but also furious that men can make violent threats against women, specifically in front of their children, yet simultaneously claim victim status.

This is how transactivism works

Transactivists close down clothes swap
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2WheelsGood · 01/04/2018 10:16

@HairyBallTheorem - Thanks for the explanation. No idea where the misogyny is in my post and I've now googled and learnt the word 'woke' so thanks a lot.

I've also never been called "liberal" in my life so I'm glad I read this thread!

Where's the "right on" ness? I simply said that I don't see the violent physical threat in the message and that the venue likely didn't want to get involved with the OPs politics and cancelled the clothes swap.

You're really misinterpreting and inventing a lot of my opinion.

SimonBridges · 01/04/2018 10:14

Threatening people with violence isn’t very Lady like is it?

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:12

I fucking see you.

I see all of you.

I will not stand by and watch violent misogynistic men take over our spaces and lives.

WE FUCKING SEE YOU.

2WheelsGood · 01/04/2018 10:11

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LangCleg · 01/04/2018 10:10

And we're right back to the viral Twitter thread by Lucy:

twitter.com/LucyLoveslife1/status/973852316787933184

There is no level of collateral damage that is not acceptable in order to punish a dissenting woman. These dickheads get off on their fantasies of a Trans Year Zero.

I still see you 2Wheels. We still see you.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:10

But like all the other woke cowards who are too "speshul" and delicate to actually answer questions or debate 2Wheels won't come back except to tell us how mean we are to criticize violent, angry cunts men.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:08

you are hiding under a cover of being terribly woke and right-on and liberal and virtue signally, and using this as a cover to take the side of violent misogynists threatening women with violence - the real world type of fist-to-the-face violence, not the pretend violence of using the wrong pronouns

A million times this^^^^^^^^

noeffingidea · 01/04/2018 10:05

2Wheels I think it means you're not fooling anyone and people can interpret your motivation from your posts.

Jux · 01/04/2018 10:04

I have tried to phone the pub to ask them about this and express concern, but they're constantly engaged. I hope that's lots of MNers doing the same.

HairyBallTheorem · 01/04/2018 10:04

Just for the avoidance of doubt, 2Wheels "we see you" means this: you are hiding under a cover of being terribly woke and right-on and liberal and virtue signally, and using this as a cover to take the side of violent misogynists threatening women with violence - the real world type of fist-to-the-face violence, not the pretend violence of using the wrong pronouns. You think that because you are dressing your misogyny up in a paper-thin disguise of being right-on that we won't see what you are up to. But actually, what you are up to shines through like a beacon.

That's what "we see you" means.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:01

So do you think telling trans people they are "trash" as I turned it around is fine and not a threat??

Gonna answer??

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:00

Coming back @2WheelsGood to debate??

Or did you just dump and run like all of the fucking cowards??

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 01/04/2018 10:00

Fucking hell I am so ANGRY about this.
No fucking more.

2WheelsGood · 01/04/2018 09:59

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LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 09:59

And seeing as it's coming from people who regularly tell us TERFS to suck their dicks or die in a fire, I would say it takes a particularly thick idiot to deny the implication of violence in that threat.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 01/04/2018 09:59

Oh just fuck the fuck off. I see you. We see you.

Exactly this.
We see you letting Male violence pass, letting their threats drip onto women and the working classes and continually impact their lives.

TERFragetteCity · 01/04/2018 09:58

You are the kind of person who would rather see working class women and children deprived of new clothes than condemn textbook male pattern abusive behaviour.

The whole thing is about women being kept away from the real world of men. Not even leaving the house as we can't find a toilet that might be safe. Back to the Victorian ages, when men were men, and women and children were seen and not heard.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/04/2018 09:57

How could anyone possibly be scared of that -scary neo Nazi looking thug- I mean sweet vulnerable trans feminine individual?

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 09:57

I'm so angry about this.

Is there anything we can collectively do wrt this shit?

Complain to the pub?

LangCleg · 01/04/2018 09:56

Where was the disgusting threat of violence?

Oh just fuck the fuck off. I see you. We see you.

You are the kind of person who would rather see working class women and children deprived of new clothes than condemn textbook male pattern abusive behaviour.

Whine away. I still see you. We still see you.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 09:55

Well done 2wheels for being on the side of violent fascists.

DrRadFem · 01/04/2018 09:54

The owner and managers of the Birds Nest know perfectly well about my campaigning work on the GRA and I've done several clothes swaps in the last 7 months since I've been working on it. They always said they were neutral about it and that everyone is welcome there. However, at the first whiff of trouble, they side with the transactivist, citing bad reviews from the LGBT community. Nobody asked me if I was ok and, as far as I know, nobody has contact Andi to challenge his behaviour.

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TERFragetteCity · 01/04/2018 09:54

"teach the children how to deal with TERF TRASH" isn't one in my book.

So how do you think TERF trash are dealt with if not like this?

You don't think this is a threat in any way? You think that the violent man with the baseball bat will tickle Venice with it?

Transactivists close down clothes swap
LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 09:53

Oh don't be so faux wide eyed.

That's a fucking threat. And he directly references kids.

How about we turn it around??

"teach the children how to deal with trans trash"

How does that fucking sound now?

Am I allowed to say that or does it sound like the nasty underhand threat it fucking is??

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