Transactivists close down clothes swap

I've checked out their posting history. They're a very recent arrival. Don't like women talking about male violence, mansplaining or (bizarrely) gardening. A woman having the temerity to complain about inadequate garden maintenance threatens the patriarchy, it would appear. Who knew?

*an

Yes, you thought that calling a woman 'am angry little terf' would shut them up?

Oh dear........

Yeah I'm not the one making themselves sound ridiculous.

You were patronising about my anti fascist activities.

You used a misogynistic term (and sorry I don't believe your faux innocence at "little" being a term used by men to make outspoken women feel small).

You tried to make out that my lifes activism is nothing more than letter writing and swearing.

Have you ever actually risked violence and incarceration protecting peoples spaces??

Have you??

Or are you just another person bashing a keyboard??

2wheels you still haven't answered the question about how you would feel about that message if it said 'teach those children how to deal with trans trash'?

"Hi, my name is 2Wheels and I really don't like it when women get all opinionated. Being patronizing will shut them up, right? Wait, why isn't it working?"

They all think they're so original, don't they?

Hey 2Wheels, I see you. We see you. Don't shut your penis in the door on the way out.

Please report it OP. This is a threat and should be recorded as such. SIckening.

I think the "behold, a man has arrived" pic would just about cover it, Sophocles. Presumably someone will eventually post it.

angry little terf

Wow that's a blast from the past. Reminds me of arguments with men's rights activists. They were very keen on calling me 'little'. At the back of their minds they picture feminists/women as small and inferior.

Have you ever faced down a mob of angry racist misogynistic men hell bent on ripping you to pieces???

I lived in Saudi Arabia as a child. I've had lots of practice in not backing down in the face of angry misogynists.

I have to go out in a minute, so I'm just going to take it as read that 2wheels is here for a goad and not a debate, and that s/he won't answer my question, the disingenous little poppet.

"Awww does my swearing upset you?"

No. I think it makes you look like an idiot though.

"Wow what a patronizing misogynistic turn of phrase."

How was it misogynistic? You sound more and more ridiculous every time you try and write something. I did not call you a "little woman" so don't invent quotes.

Have you ever faced down a mob of angry racist misogynistic men hell bent on ripping you to pieces???

Cos I have.

And just because they put on a fucking dress and call themselves Susan, doesn't change that violence.

I see them.

I see the same angry violent men I see everywhere else.

Only now I'm not allowed to call out their actual real life violence cos my calling them out is now deemed "literal violence"

*Thanks for the explanation. No idea where the misogyny is in my post and I've now googled and learnt the word 'woke' so thanks a lot.

I've also never been called "liberal" in my life so I'm glad I read this thread!

Where's the "right on" ness? I simply said that I don't see the violent physical threat in the message and that the venue likely didn't want to get involved with the OPs politics and cancelled the clothes swap.

You're really misinterpreting and inventing a lot of my opinion.*

So you're not a liberal, didn't know what woke meant, just randomly wandered onto the feminist section of mumsnet and onto a trans thread in order to plop, without knowing the context of Maria Miller being beaten up at a demo and various women being threatened with violence.

Yeah, right.

And I'm the fucking pope.

That post of yours is complete bollocks - big fat hairy male bollocks. And you know it. And you think that we're too stupid to know it too.

I hate to say this but given the likelihood that he'll escalate I'd report just so there's already a track record, which will make it harder for the police to ignore the next incident.

Just another way of closing down women.

Just fence us off.

Absolutely appalling. What on earth does a clothes swap have to do with your views on the GRA? Does this TRA think that anything that you say or do must automatically be ‘wrong’?

I agree with the others, you must report this and keep a record of screenshots, dates, times etc. There are too many women staying silent about all sorts of threats and acts of male violence, for fear of not being believed or that the police won’t act. We have to keep speaking up.

Stay strong.

As someone who has "fought fascism all my adult life." do you think complaining collectively to the pub is going to get them to change their mind when they obviously don't care about and don't want to be involved in any kind of politics? Is complaining to the venue the type of 'fighting' you've been doing

I am a transwoman. You do not speak for me or for people like me who have struggled with gender dysphoria all their life.

Threatening women, closing venues down because you don't like the views of the organiser who is organising a clothes swap.

Seriously.

You do not speak for me.

2wheels you still haven't answered the question:

If the statement had been 'I'm gonna teach those kids how to deal with trans trash' do you think that would be threatening, or a perfectly innocent remark.

"WE FUCKING SEE YOU."

Who is "we"? A few angry people on the internet?

"I will not stand by and watch violent misogynistic men take over our spaces and lives."

No. Don't. Get all sweary and then write a letter to complain to the pub. That'll show the fascists!

Awww does my swearing upset you???

I swear because I am angry at the erasure of womens spaces.

Wow, you're an angry little terf, aren't you?

Wow what a patronizing misogynistic turn of phrase.

"little woman"

Debate means talking.

BTW my "fighting" against facism has meant risking arrest and violence defending mosques from skinheads.
It's meant facing down the EDL while they try to hurt me.

That kind of fucking fighting.

I am fucking proud of the fact that I stand with the oppressed.

Are you going to condemn the violent men who threaten me with rape and death for standing against them??

Or are you just having a pop at women speaking (and swearing!) for their rights??

So will you answer my polite question upthread, then, 2wheels?

Do you think it's OK to effectively bar people from public life because of their views?

Are you able to answer this?

"Hi, my name is 2Wheels and I really don't like it when women get all opinionated. Being patronizing will shut them up, right? Wait, why isn't it working?"

I think it's important to keep sharing parts of the article written by JAmes Kirkup in this week's Spectator... commenting on the possible reasons' why some women's concerns are not being engaged with:

But that doesn’t seem to be happening. It’s because those women have been – quite successfully and even skilfully – demonised and stigmatised, put beyond the pale of civilised debate as those who question orthodoxy often are. They’ve been given a name, a name that means they’re bad people, people who should not speak and should not be heard. That name is “Terf,” which once meant “Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist” but now appears to stand in its own right as a term of abuse and dismissal alongside the other short, harsh words often used to question the worth and virtue of women
And that small number of people who direct violence and abuse at “Terfs” are swimming in a larger sea of contempt and dismissal.

Their conduct takes place in a social context where hostility to “Terfs” has become not just normal but even amusing, where there is no social cost to talking about and perhaps even inciting violence towards women who hold “unacceptable” views. Simply, some people, including people who would never themselves engage in that sort of violence, are doing things that make violent discourse and even violence look and feel OK. Sadly, they include journalists and politicians, people who parade their support for minority groups but speak about feminist women in terms they would never use about other people.
link here (but requires signing in) blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/