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Transactivists close down clothes swap

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DrRadFem · 01/04/2018 08:43

www.facebook.com/events/1192659824170075/permalink/1197709540331770/

I've been organising free clothes swaps in south east London since 2013. Attended mainly, but not exclusively, by women and their children, they are fun events that save money and the environment and strengthen and enrich the community.

The Birds Nest thebirdsnestpub.com/ have hosted many of our swaps in their back room. I am also a regular customer at the pub.

I had planned an event there next Friday 6th April. However, a local transactivist came on to the event page a few days ago and threatened to disrupt it (see attached screenshot).

I asked the managers to have a word with this man (also a regular customer) and to ban him from the event to ensure our safety. However, their response was to immediately cancel our event and to take no action on the man.

I'm extremely upset on a personal level but also furious that men can make violent threats against women, specifically in front of their children, yet simultaneously claim victim status.

This is how transactivism works

Transactivists close down clothes swap
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AngryAttackKittens · 01/04/2018 11:25

It proves that the goal isn't to "protect" trans people, it's to banish uppity women from public life.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 11:22

This has made me so fucking unbelieveably angry.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 11:21

Oh that is really horribly sad.

Glad you are going to the police but it really shouldn't be like this.
This is so so wrong.

yetanothertranswoman Bloody hell! Shock

I'm not sure whether to be pleased they are making themselves so obvious or simply fucking boiling with rage that we are supposedly the violent bad guys and they are lovely fluffy unicorns.

I want every single "woke" fucker to see this.

Even the most innocent and community spirited event is getting shut down by violent selfish men.

Angry
TERFragetteCity · 01/04/2018 11:14

I don't blame you Venice. You need to keep yourself safe as well as not allowing this to spill out to kids. Utter vindictive nastiness. Flowers

CapnHaddock · 01/04/2018 11:14

She's a leading figure in Sisters Uncut. They were the ones that whipped up the planned assault on Maria at HPC.

I think you're being very wise Venice but I'm so sorry you're going through this

AngryAttackKittens · 01/04/2018 11:13

Trying to kick off at Millwall, if the event had happened, would be a bit Darwin Awards.

Anyone who's actively looking for an opportunity to get into a physical confrontation in front of children is telling us some very important things about them.

yetanothertranswoman · 01/04/2018 11:11

This Liv character particularly scares me because I don't know her (?) personally (unlike Andi) and she seems intent on violence

With comments like:

"TERFs tryna organise at millwall den?!?!?! maybe my lifelong dream of havin a ruck at the den might come true"

DrRadFem · 01/04/2018 11:07

I have decided that I will call the police and will cancel the swap next week. I have been offered another space but to be quite honest, I really don't want there to be any trouble in front of the children. This Liv character particularly scares me because I don't know her (?) personally (unlike Andi) and she seems intent on violence. It's really sad, but it seems that for the time being someone else needs to organise the swaps in Deptford

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MsGameandWatching · 01/04/2018 11:03

This is just awful. I'm really shocked. The entitlement and aggression in that message sums up all our fears and I agree this should be moved to AIBU in an attempt to reach the "oh trans threads are so boring and mean" crew. Totally indefensible.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/04/2018 11:02

I'm baffled by this person.

TERFragetteCity · 01/04/2018 11:01

Yet...

You mean Thuglfyz Nicewife lol.

yetanothertranswoman · 01/04/2018 10:58

I just followed through on the Facebook page of one of the activists

www.facebook.com/itsonlybloodylivwynter?fref=ufi&rc=p

Discussing how they would have a 'ruck' at Millwall.

TERFragetteCity · 01/04/2018 10:57

A young female relative of mine used to run a gardening business. She was continually mansplained to by a couple of her male clients, especially about the correct use of chainsaws, despite the fact that they knew nothing and she was fully trained and licenced.

They just can't help themselves can they? It's like that is literally all they can do.

borntobequiet · 01/04/2018 10:56

A young female relative of mine used to run a gardening business. She was continually mansplained to by a couple of her male clients, especially about the correct use of chainsaws, despite the fact that they knew nothing and she was fully trained and licenced.
She also found that it was better off middle aged men who tried to negotiate down her (perfectly reasonable) quotes, and who were very miffed when she told them to find someone else then.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/04/2018 10:46

Not so much talking as belching in a self-important way.

It's an odd hobby, hanging around feminist spaces scolding women for, well, existing really. Comes across a bit "this is the only way I ever get to talk to women at all".

Lampage · 01/04/2018 10:43

Have you managed to find a different venue OP? I see from the FB comments there have been offers.

I agree that this should be reported to the police. The person is making threats and harassing you.

LangCleg · 01/04/2018 10:42

it's sad that you think everyone who disagrees with you is a man. You don't actually see much beyond your own sexism

I still see you. We still see you. Mind that penis because it keeps talking for you. The penis does tend to do that.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 01/04/2018 10:39

yes I did. I said it still wouldn't be a threat.

Yes, I'm sure that sort of message wouldn't be doing the rounds on Twitter, as an example of TERFs inciting 'genocide' Hmm

Just like Venice's 'I think Lily Madigan might fake a suicide soon' message (which wasn't actually a message to Lily) doesnt continue to get passed around as an example of TERFs inciting violence and telling trans people that they should kill themselves.

IfNot · 01/04/2018 10:38

Ach just ignore 2 wheels. He reads to me like the kind of MAMIL who comes aggressively swooshing up on his posh bike behind women and children ambling along by the canal, ringing his little bell as if to say "out of my way insignificant people! Here comes a middle aged man who is so disappointed in the way his life has turned out he has to resort to bullying randoms!"
I just ignore them and watch their faces get all red. And I fight the temptation to stick out my leg and watch them go over. Usually. Easter Smile
Sorry that happened Dr. Clothes swaps are a great idea, and really useful if you are skint, or have (ahem) gone up a couple of sizes and can't afford new gear.
I think you should contact the police too. The language used was very threatening, and to actually stop you going about your business because of who you are is shocking.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/04/2018 10:38

Gardening is misandry! Learn something new every day, I guess.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:37

A woman having the temerity to complain about inadequate garden maintenance threatens the patriarchy, it would appear. Who knew?

Well if you don't trim those bushes ladies the menz won't sleep with you.

Angryresister · 01/04/2018 10:37

I read an excellent piece by a community worker in Deptford saying that a group of privileged men were becoming a problem in the area, making Trans the only issue, disrupting meetings etc. Presumably this is one of them. This is what happens when we resist male colonization. Angry that this is getting worse. We must continue to support women who fight back . A clothes swap ffs....

ijustwannadance · 01/04/2018 10:36

I also wonder were all these dead trans kids are.
It's like all the trans women being constantly attacked and murdered. Yeah, not in the UK though....

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 01/04/2018 10:35

Reminds me of arguments with men's rights activists. They were very keen on calling me 'little'. At the back of their minds they picture feminists/women as small and inferior

But...but..'.but they weren't using it like that.....
It's not a misogynistic term at all and hasn't been used to make women feel silly ever

2WheelsGood · 01/04/2018 10:34

@Ellenripleysalienbaby - yes I did. I said it still wouldn't be a threat.

@LangCleg - it's sad that you think everyone who disagrees with you is a man. You don't actually see much beyond your own sexism.

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