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Transactivists close down clothes swap

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DrRadFem · 01/04/2018 08:43

www.facebook.com/events/1192659824170075/permalink/1197709540331770/

I've been organising free clothes swaps in south east London since 2013. Attended mainly, but not exclusively, by women and their children, they are fun events that save money and the environment and strengthen and enrich the community.

The Birds Nest thebirdsnestpub.com/ have hosted many of our swaps in their back room. I am also a regular customer at the pub.

I had planned an event there next Friday 6th April. However, a local transactivist came on to the event page a few days ago and threatened to disrupt it (see attached screenshot).

I asked the managers to have a word with this man (also a regular customer) and to ban him from the event to ensure our safety. However, their response was to immediately cancel our event and to take no action on the man.

I'm extremely upset on a personal level but also furious that men can make violent threats against women, specifically in front of their children, yet simultaneously claim victim status.

This is how transactivism works

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TerfsUp · 03/04/2018 12:42

Good. The more people who are peak transed, the better.

I never got a reply the email I sent to the pub. Disgraceful.

BreakWindandFire · 03/04/2018 12:03

Reading the Facebook thread, one positive outcome is that it's 'peak transed' a huge amount of local residents who wouldn't normally confront this issue. Especially as Andi and his handmaiden abuse anyone who tries to engage them respectfully. They come across as sinister and aggressive loons.

DoroVallens · 03/04/2018 10:33

Fuck me, unbelievable!

This board opened my eyes to reality. WTF!!!!!

Please go to the police if you can. Easter Sad

Ereshkigal · 03/04/2018 10:09

I find it so sad that women are frequently shut out of their female centred organisations and groups by males and their allies, either directly or indirectly. I know so many occasions where this has happened.

ElizabethLemon · 03/04/2018 09:52

This is really depressing to see. Venice, I understand why you’ve decided to cancel the swap but if you change your mind please update - I am local and would like to come and support you.

Also this debacle reminded me of sisters uncut. A friend was heavily involved in the organisation when it first started and I remember having a conversation with her about their policy on trans people. Originally it seemed that the members were keen to keep it a female only space considering that a lot of them were victims of domestic abuse. It’s so sad to see that their cause has been totally taken over and dominated by trans activists, what a waste!

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2018 12:47

Exactly and TRAs will keep doing it because it's an extraordinarily effective tactic to silence women.

JessicaJonesJacket · 02/04/2018 12:45

ffs this is ridiculous. Shame on the pub for capitulating rather than passing it to the police and banning the person threatening violence. Men prioritising entitled men over everything and everyone else yet again.

IntelligentYetIndecisive · 02/04/2018 11:59

@Ereshkigal. Yes. To them it's justifiable, to us it's unforgivable.

I got you.

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2018 11:53

I meant it was justifiable in their eyes. I think it was fairly clear.

IntelligentYetIndecisive · 02/04/2018 11:47

With regards to you Venice, this reminds me very much of the Andi Dier attack on Rose McGowan when she was talking about her rape in public. It doesn't matter what the event is or how shitty it would be to you and others to disrupt it, its justifiable they justify their actions because of things you've said.

Fixed that for ya! Wink

ellaoldie · 02/04/2018 10:24

This is appalling.
I think Venice should raise this with her MP as well.

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2018 10:23

With regards to you Venice, this reminds me very much of the Andi Dier attack on Rose McGowan when she was talking about her rape in public. It doesn't matter what the event is or how shitty it would be to you and others to disrupt it, its justifiable because of things you've said.

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2018 10:20

Madigan was inside, there was a picture posted. www.facebook.com/iamlils/posts/1488532634607854

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2018 10:17

Madigan felt very violated that we took our literal violence to parliament while Madigan was there. Which Madigan was, apparently, at the same time.

Yes, that's true. Madigan was there. As if that was a coincidence.

PencilsInSpace · 02/04/2018 09:57

This is so fucking awful. How dare they Angry I'm sorry you're going through this Venice, how did it go with the police?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 02/04/2018 03:19

These traditional methods men use to terrorize women are so commonplace that they are not even recognized by most people for what they are

same tactics different guises - intimate relationships, work, politics, charities, human rights, legal / education/ welfare / health / sport / police systems - in fact anywhere there's men……

As always find out who benefits - follow the money and follow the power - i.e. who wants more income, who wants to dominate, who wants revenge, and sometimes who wants to increase their sadistic and sexual pleasure, - i.e. what's their motivation plus who has the resources to terrorise? Who's their targets? Usually women and children, or others, in a vulnerable state.

Ugh - I wish I didn't see this stuff sometimes - I don't really as I need to be able to see it - however it's so hard to bear the truth and not despair - the system is rigged but collectively we can challenge it. We need to organise more...

Could hit the Gin but won't...

thebewilderness · 01/04/2018 22:53

These traditional methods men use to terrorize women are so commonplace that they are not even recognized by most people for what they are.

Datun · 01/04/2018 22:49

Lily is talking about Linda Bellos. Referencing the violence at speakers corner, she said something like let them try that with me I'll give them what for.

Which they then gleefully took out of context as inciting violence.

I sat next to her and we had a long conversation about it.

Lily was recognised by some women as they wandering along the road. If they were there for any reason other than nosiness and loitering trying to get an angle they would be saying so.

LizzieSiddal · 01/04/2018 22:31

I was at Parliament on the same night as this event and saw people who had incited violence against me personally/the wider trans community. Not okay. I should be able to engage fully in politics without having to be in the same space as Transphobes

So before LM saw the “transphobes”, they assumed that every other person in Parliament, agreed with them? Hmm

How very odd.

untoldstories · 01/04/2018 21:44

Bless him, trying to make out he's dead important and has to engage fully in politics! Grin
What a wanker.

AreYouTerfEnough · 01/04/2018 21:36

Looking at someone the wrong way = literal violence in The Land Of The Speshul Snowflakes

I wonder if they use caster sugar on their cornflakes because granulated might hurt their little gums 🤔

untoldstories · 01/04/2018 21:29

Why on Earth would he have been at Parliament that night?
He's a women's officer for his CLP, an unpaid role.
I did hear he'd been seen hanging around outside the event afterwards though probably looking for the ruck that never happened.

Thanksforthatamazingpost · 01/04/2018 21:25

Sorry this happened

TheGoldenBough · 01/04/2018 20:19

If violence had been incited, why hasn't LM gone to the police?

Absolutely. I'm sure the police would have been very keen to hear of the violence that was incited against LM personally and the wider trans community.

I believe the police take literal violence very seriously...

LapdanceShoeshine · 01/04/2018 20:06

saw people who had incited violence against me personally/the wider trans community

What utter bollocks

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